Broadband and telephones

[aveatry]

They will install the outside box near ground level. The cable from the pole to the outside box can be very long but the cable from the outside box to the inside box is limited to 10 metres. They are very flexible about where they install the inside box but I have never known them to install it in a loft. They might be willing to do that if your loft is essentially a room with stairs to access and proper flooring but they won't want to climb a loft ladder and balance on ceiling joists.

From my research when coming from a pole above they need to first bring it down to ground level because the connection in the box on the outside needs to be spliced/ welded and the equipment involves a built in microscope and is not something that can be done from a ladder.
Have a utube search and you will see.
The box on the outside is about the size of 4 bluray cases stacked on top of each other and the inside box is about half that.

 

[pcaouolte]

the length from the inside box to the router

It's a standard network cable so technically can be up to 100m.

The box on the inside (ONT) converts light from the fibre to a standard ethernet port. If you only had one device at home it would be possible to plug it directly into the ONT without a router.

 

[aveatry]

It's a standard network cable so technically can be up to 100m.

The box on the inside (ONT) converts light from the fibre to a standard ethernet port. If you only had one device at home it would be possible to plug it directly into the ONT without a router.

Ah I see. Thanks

 

[davelx]

It's a standard network cable so technically can be up to 100m.

The box on the inside (ONT) converts light from the fibre to a standard ethernet port. If you only had one device at home it would be possible to plug it directly into the ONT without a router.

Only if said device supports PPoE and you know how to configure it.

 

[pcaouolte]

Only if said device supports PPoE and you know how to configure it.

Not on YouFibre. The Router connects to the ONT using DHCP.

 

[aveatry]

Not on YouFibre. The Router connects to the ONT using DHCP.

Is this going to be like the smart meter malarkey where if you change suppliers the monitor doesn't work

 

[Mottie]

Not on YouFibre. The Router connects to the ONT using DHCP.

OMG WTF

 

[davelx]

Not on YouFibre. The Router connects to the ONT using DHCP.

And what, exactly, do you believe the function of DHCP to be? It is NOT a data-link protocol. Hint - it stands for Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol
I'd suggest you do some reading: https://www.waterstones.com/book/interconnections/radia-perlman/9780201634488

 

[pcaouolte]

From here: https://support.youfibre.com/knowle...router-can-i-use-the-same-one-when-i-join-you

"I already have a router, can I use the same one when I join You?​

If your router has an ethernet connection (WAN) then it’s compatible with our network and you can keep it, if you prefer. You will need to set your router to DHCP for the connection to work.
You will always need our fibre socket (modem) on your property to connect the router to."


Ok. A simplified and technically inaccurate description from them and from me, but the router does not use PPPoE to connect to YouFibre.

 

[davelx]

What makes you say that? DHCP is just the mechanism for the router to get its WAN address. It still needs the correct data link protocol, but a router may be abke to negotiate that. A PC almost certainly can't, which is why your original statement about a single device required qualification.

 

[pcaouolte]

What makes you say that?

I am sitting here with a laptop plugged directly into a YouFibre ONT. It just works. No router connected at all. No PPPoE settings on the laptop. Plugged the laptop into the ONT with an Ethernet cable and it gets connected to the internet, it couldn't be more straightforward.

 

[davelx]

Excellent! That may not work for other ISPs though.

 

[pcaouolte]

Is this going to be like the smart meter malarkey where if you change suppliers the monitor doesn't work

YouFibre have their own network infrastructure, if you change provider the connection at the pole will need to be changed. It is also possible/likely that the box on the wall inside your house will need to be changed. YouFibre don't provide you with any login name or password, the connection is setup by their ONT without you having to do or know anything. I haven't moved away from them yet but I watched their engineer go up the pole to make the connection and install all of the cabling and equipment to my property. There are two other connection blocks at the top of the pole for other fibre providers that I could choose from.

 

[pcaouolte]

Excellent! That may not work for other ISPs though.

Agreed absolutely, but we were specifically discussing YouFibre when I stated that it was possible to plug one device directly into the ONT without using a router.

 

[Makeitgo]

I am sitting here with a laptop plugged directly into a YouFibre ONT. It just works. No router connected at all. No PPPoE settings on the laptop. Plugged the laptop into the ONT with an Ethernet cable and it gets connected to the internet, it couldn't be more straightforward.

I'm guessing you're just demonstrating that it can be done without a router. I'm also guessing that your usual setup is using a router (or some other box) to provide a Firewall in addition to the the one included wither your OS?