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[motorbiking]

What do you define as "value"?

Like it or not, a proportion of the running of this country relies on people who are doing jobs that, in your opinion and by your metrics, are not "delivering value". The sort of things that you wouldn't know were being done, until they weren't being done any more.

Upskill the people who dust your desk, empty your bin, and put your coffee mug in the dishwasher each night.
You'll be awash with lawyers, who are all agog at the cr@p they're working in and with.

I'm not going to argue with your opinion.

 

[Brigadier]

I'm not going to argue with your opinion.

And my question?

What do you define as "value"?

Your position is that some jobs do not, in your opinion, do not add sufficient value to merit a living wage.
Hence, your call for them to upskill.

Which jobs are these?

 

[carmanmemoranda]

doing fine thanks for asking.

I've said previously, I favour people getting help developing more valuable skills, so they can bring more value and earn more. I don't favour people just getting more money.. that leads to people out of work and investment going elsewhere. As a tax payer I am happy for low paid people to get some money when they can't deliver enough value to get paid more.

Anybody working full time should be paid enough to live on.

Why should taxpayers subsidise a business

 

[motorbiking]

No thats not my position. My position is that some people are unable to reach their potential because they can't develop the skills they need to be more valuable to an employer. For some its nothing more than mindset for others its just having another crack at things they didn't grasp at school/college.

I'm sure you don't need me to explain how employees add value to their employer.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

No thats not my position. My position is that some people are unable to reach their potential because they can't develop the skills they need to be more valuable to an employer. For some its nothing more than mindset for others its just having another crack at things they didn't grasp at school/college.

I'm sure you don't need me to explain how employees add value to their employer.

I'm sure you don't need anybody to explain how cheap employees mean more profits to the employer.

I thought part of brexit was a better paid workforce

 

[motorbiking]

Anybody working full time should be paid enough to live on.

Why should taxpayers subsidise a business

you have 2 options.

1. create a law forcing a business to pay them more
2. help them develop the skills they need to be more valuable to an employer.

1. results in some getting more and others getting fired. It also results in jobs going overseas. Customer services people for example, business operations, contracts admin, management accountancy etc.

I'm sure you don't need anybody to explain how cheap employees mean more profits to the employer.

which of course isn't true.

lets take your own situation. You seem happy as a sole trader, working as much as you want to earn enough for your lifestyle. Not understanding the different between margin and profit, or the impact of a small increase in costs at every step of your supply chain, or that profit is not a factor of revenue - cost of employee, doesn't seem to have harmed you much.

Imagine you were a little hungrier and the next guy came along with better business acumen than you. He knows how to optimise his supply chain, he implements processes to reduce failure rates. he can do the work you do, better, cheaper and with higher margins. Thats you struggling or looking for a job.

There are millions of low paid workers who aren't earning their potential.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

you have 2 options.

1. create a law forcing a business to pay them more
2. help them develop the skills they need to be more valuable to an employer.

1. results in some getting more and others getting fired. It also results in jobs going overseas. Customer services people for example, business operations, contracts admin, management accountancy etc.

Why do you always only look at 2 options? There's more.

which of course isn't true.

Dead right your "facts" aren't true

lets take your own situation. You seem happy as a sole trader, working as much as you want to earn enough for your lifestyle. Not understanding the different between margin and profit, or the impact of a small increase in costs at every step of your supply chain, or that profit is not a factor of revenue - cost of employee, doesn't seem to have harmed you much.

You have no idea about me or my business, and it shows. Feel free to explain my business to me. I've asked you repeatedly and you keep swerving away.

Imagine you were a little hungrier and the next guy came along with better business acumen than you. He knows how to optimise his supply chain, he implements processes to reduce failure rates. he can do the work you do, better, cheaper and with higher margins. Thats you struggling or looking for a job.

Been like that since I started out and it will go on for ever. If he wants to work for less he can, I turn away as much work as I actually do. I pick the work I want.

There are millions of low paid workers who aren't earning their potential.

There's lots of people getting richer and using taxpayers to subsidise their business whilst watching their profit making employees struggle to live.

No matter how much you swerve and squirm, a decent days work deserves a decent days wage.

 

[motorbiking]

a decent days work deserves a decent days wage.

Why?

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Why?

If you don't know the answer to that then nobody on here can help you.

And you are a world class lawyer (better than those of the royal family, your claim) and top businessman.

Load of cobblers. You haven't got a clue

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Why?

And then you complain about unions.

You can see why there is still a NEED for them

 

[motorbiking]

I am asking you to justify why an employer should pay a decent wage for a decent days work.

one reply will do.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

I am asking you to justify why an employer should pay a decent wage for a decent days work.

one reply will do.

I'm asking you to explain my business to me, and I've asked you repeatedly. You think you know it better than me.

You answer and I will. My answer is easy, very surprised that you actually need it explaining to you. Genuinely!

 

[Brigadier]

No thats not my position. My position is that some people are unable to reach their potential because they can't develop the skills they need to be more valuable to an employer. For some its nothing more than mindset for others its just having another crack at things they didn't grasp at school/college.

I'm sure you don't need me to explain how employees add value to their employer.

Swerve.

Like it or not, a proportion of the running of this country relies on people who are doing jobs that, in your opinion and by your metrics, are not "delivering value". The sort of things that you wouldn't know were being done, until they weren't being done any more.

Do these vital-for-the-country-jobs merit a living wage, or should they be upskilled too?

 

[Brigadier]

I'm sure you don't need me to explain how employees add value to their employer.

You only measure value in monetary terms: that is apparent by your replies.

 

[martygturner]

I am asking you to justify why an employer should pay a decent wage for a decent days work.

one reply will do.

Because if they don't they are exploiting the workforce... greed is good and you only have to look where that got us.