Cameron gets tough on benefit cheats !!!!

[securespark]

I wonder why he is concentrating on the benefit scroungers and not the tax thieves?

Cos his lot are tax thieves, silly!!

 

[malcolmX]

@malcomx

Posters like the little mouse are a kind of scummy vermin that inhabit forums making provocative comments to see how much commotion they can cause. They are usually recognisable by very short posts .

It's rather like the sub-normal/inadequate kid setting fire to a shed because seeing all the firemen makes him think how important he is

Excuse me, but are you calling me a kind of scummy vermin because I sent in a short post?? I live here in Britain and feel I have a right to comment on what happens here, you don't.

 

[malcolmX]

dangermouse46

When can we expect you to be setting up your concentration camps, gas chambers and crematoria to get rid of the people you describe as scum, shades of Adolf Hitler.

 

[mointainwalker]

No malcolm, i was not referring to you and find it hard to understand how you could interpret things that way.

 

[Johnmelad502]

Dangermouse

You and vermin like you are what is wrong with this country.

Want to know what real vermin looks like? Go take a look in a mirror.

Your Profile...

5' 3" tall; obese, smokes 60 a day, never worked in his life alcoholic living on council sink estate.

Offspring of his older brother and sister.

 

[malcolmX]

There is no way that I could refer to people as scum, vile, worthless or shameless.
Those of you who have uttered those words ought to be ashamed, talk about the working class being their own worst enemy isn't in it.
Get it into your heads, there are no worth while jobs to be had and those of you in work should get down on your knee's and say a prayer of thanks.
Ps;
I am retired and out of the jobs market but I have a little sideline that earns me a little money to jingle in my pocket and buy sweeties for my grandkids.

 

[mointainwalker]

Malcolm

Although I would not use such vitriol as others, there certainly are people identified in recent news articles that I would describe in those terms and would like to see firm action and punishment levied, which regrettably has not been the case.

I take your last sentence to mean that you also evade tax by not declaring this income ? By the way, kiddies' sweets are not yet recognised as a legitimate tax deduction.

 

[malcolmX]

Malcolm

Although I would not use such vitriol as others, there certainly are people identified in recent news articles that I would describe in those terms and would like to see firm action and punishment levied, which regrettably has not been the case.

I take your last sentence to mean that you also evade tax by not declaring this income ? By the way, kiddies' sweets are not yet recognised as a legitimate tax deduction.

Sorry, but you are showing your ignorence a retired person has a tax free allowence, as long as you dont go over that there is no problem.
I dont have to pay any national insurence stamps either, I have paid in my 40 years of contributions.
I will accept your apology for your snide comment

 

[Big Tone]

I can see that you know your stuff Diane; it’s like listening to my sister. But I’ll ask her anyway later...

i only know the stuff thats relevant to the long term mentally ill...your sister will know far more than me!

It was information overload for me Diane; I wish you were there but I made a few notes before I got too drunk…

ESA or Employment Support Allowance is £65 per week unless you are on long term sickness where it rises to £80 per week.

Miss T pointed me to the web site where most of this is 'directgov.com'

ESA used to be called Incapacity Benefit but political correctness put an end to that. There are two rates of DLA, middle and higher.

The worst to find work for, she says, is a man with four sprogs because unless he can land a very well paid job it’s pointless.

In short she says it is entirely possible to get up to ~£400 per week but you would have to be in a very, genuine, bad way. Someone with a severe and crippling illness and needs home care etc.

These things are assessed and to get the £400 per week you would not be able to fake it unless you really are in a bad way. i.e.: It’s not as simple as getting a few notes from the GP because you’re fed up.


I understand that shirkers should be coerced into some jobs whereby they are contributing something to our society. (Cleaning our streets or some community watch or ‘hobby bobby’ role perhaps). I’m just very uncomfortable with the notion of “forcing” someone to do something which lines other people’s pockets.

This isn't China, thank goodness...

When you get to a situation where people are making money from forced labour, that is a very slippery slope indeed…

 

[Big Tone]

@BT

Last mail getting long so second one.

How do you pay a job what it's worth ? What is it worth and how do you measure it ?

That’s a very good question and probably deserving of a separate thread. I guess like most things it’s worth as much or little as you can get it done for, based on the level of difficulty, danger and market forces etc.

I trained originally as an engineer, which used to be held in high regard. The demand for engineers is low in this country and these days, since we don't manufacture anything anymore, they call someone an engineer just because they can remember which way to tighten a bolt, so long as it’s not a left hand thread.

An engineer in Germany is on equal standing to a doctor. Same goes for America. When I was over there I was offered $50K per year to stay at a company, back in 1999, with bonuses amounting to another $2K. At the same time over here a typical engineering job would have been around the £14K per annum.

To this day you can pick up a paper and see job offers where they are offering £14K for someone at degree level. This is what I mean about how this country is taking the p1$$. We are taxed to death in this country and blaming the little people, some of which deserve a good kick up the arse, isn’t getting to the heart of the matter.

This is the point JohnD has made, keeps making, which keeps going over people's heads. I conclude from this that they are healthy and maybe just a rich version of "vermin".

 

[skitzee2k]

I hired someone the other day for 16.5k a year to be a store hand. I wish people would stop lecturing me about the jobs market. I am an employer ffs and I know the going wages in my area. Anyone with a degree looking for a 14k job when they have a degree is either a f**king idiot or bought their degree on the internet.

I started working a decade ago on 10k a year on an entry level job. I think you needed 3 Ds or above at GCSE level . VERY basic.
Worked hard, year later was on 13k, worked hard, year later was on 16.5k, worked hard year after year. And now I am here.

The work is out there. The money is out there. People just need to earn it.

Do I begrudge paying a higher amount of tax no only in £s but in % than people coasting along in their 10k-14k a year jobs? Yeah, course I do, like I have said before, I live in a relatively crime free area, I have medical insurance up to ying yang and insurance for every bad thing that could happen to me. I can't see me ever taking more money in any year FROM the government than I give them in a month.

...so yes, people not wishing to work hard annoy me. People who choose not to work at all because they can't be bothered to work their way up the ladder like I had to REALLY annoy me and people that steal benefits they are not entitled to just **** me off.

I can understand someone trying to evade tax if they for example, have already paid 250k in tax that year and got almost nothing for it. For that reason, although it is a crime and should be punishable by heavy fines, I think theft of benefits (when they are already a drain on the country if we are honest) is biting the hand that literally feeds you and should be a fine to recoup losses and a prison sentence.

 

[Blasphemous]

I hired someone the other day for 16.5k a year to be a store hand. I wish people would stop lecturing me about the jobs market. I am an employer ffs and I know the going wages in my area. Anyone with a degree looking for a 14k job when they have a degree is either a f**king idiot or bought their degree on the internet.

I started working a decade ago on 10k a year on an entry level job. I think you needed 3 Ds or above at GCSE level . VERY basic.
Worked hard, year later was on 13k, worked hard, year later was on 16.5k, worked hard year after year. And now I am here.

Where's 'here' skitzee?

 

[masona]

This has quickly turned into something it wasn't meant to be. This thread to me was about principles. Yes tax evasion is very wrong and is unfair, but i would always say that benefit FRAUD/ theft, the taking of something that is not yours is always worse than giving away less than being asked of you.

Then what's the difference with tax evasion which is not their money in the first place? In simple term, the poorer and middle class honest taxpayers are funding the tax evasion? Benefit fraud and tax evasion are the same

 

[Big Tone]

I think I know where “here” is…

@Skitzee

You worked hard and made it, so anyone who doesn’t aspire to your high ideals is a turd.

Fact is, not everyone has the ability to work their way up the ladder or even get on the first rung due to physical or mental disabilities, whether transient or permanent; so you should count your blessings. You have had the health, intellect and work ethic to get you where you are today; good for you. So have I, against ridiculous odds at times too I may add.

But not everyone can battle into a head wind like us and if, god forbid, anything should befall you and your empire crumbles you may see it from a very different perspective.

You remind me of a, late, millionaire I used to know who got sick of the volume of traffic getting to his business and said “they should put petrol up to £50 a gallon”.

It isn’t all about just about you and maybe one day you will learn something called humility. Frog march the scroungers into a job and off our backs by all means, but keep the safety net in place for genuine cases, of which you think there are none.

 

[Blasphemous]

Lets at least give skitzee a chance! I'm sure he'll be back on later and HE can tell us where 'here' is.