Cameron gets tough on benefit cheats !!!!

[skitzee2k]

It isn’t all about just about you and maybe one day you will learn something called humility. Frog march the scroungers into a job and off our backs by all means, but keep the safety net in place for genuine cases, of which you think there are none.

Big Tone, I have always added that I completely understand and support the idea of the 'safety net'. In fact that is the exact phrase i use.

For those ACTUALLY UNABLE rather than unwilling.

However even you have voiced opinions to the point where you have said you agree with people CHOOSING not to work because they are only slightly better off.

Maybe I misunderstood you and if I have I apologise. If i haven't then that is completely at odds with the idea of the 'Safety net'.

As for where 'Here' is, it is a place where I do not dread going to work, where I can make my own rules and where I never have to worry about money (not rich but comfortable). ..probably low/mid middle class i'd guess. Which is to say there is always chilled evian in my fridge, but I remember having to keep candles under the sink for when you ran out of 50ps for the lecky meter.

 

[diane1]

..to Big Tone, im keeping out of this thread...its too much like hard work...just to say....long term claimants retain their benefits so incapacity benefit still remains...but not to new claimants...i work with very ill people..most of whom get more in benefit payments than i earn....but i dont begrudge them it....as probably you dont.

(i applaud your sister...the job centre do a cracking job...and get no thanks and a ton of abuse...and the pay isnt up to much either!)

 

[skitzee2k]

This has quickly turned into something it wasn't meant to be. This thread to me was about principles. Yes tax evasion is very wrong and is unfair, but i would always say that benefit FRAUD/ theft, the taking of something that is not yours is always worse than giving away less than being asked of you.

Then what's the difference with tax evasion which is not their money in the first place? In simple term, the poorer and middle class honest taxpayers are funding the tax evasion? Benefit fraud and tax evasion are the same

Well...it is their money, it's their income, which they are asked to pay tax on. You can't pay tax on money that isn't yours after all.
Is a small detail but vital. Refusal to give up something that is yours and taking something that isn't yours are fundementally different.

 

[JohnD]

Fraudulently evading tax, or fraudulently claiming benefits...

we can see where your sympathies lie.

I wonder if you and your family have ever had to depend on the doctors, schools and hospitals which us honest taxpayers provided? Or the benefitted from the factory inspectors, firemen, health visitors, free milk, public health, midwives and public libraries?

 

[skitzee2k]

Fraudulently evading tax, or fraudulently claiming benefits...

we can see where your sympathies lie.

I wonder if you and your family have ever had to depend on the doctors, schools and hospitals which us honest taxpayers provided? Or the benefitted from the factory inspectors, firemen, health visitors, free milk, public health, midwives and public libraries?

...actually, that is another good point. Better off families tend to have less children, meaning they don't use the schools as much, or free milk, or midwives etc. and they tend to buy their own books too.
Thanks for reminding me.

 

[malcolmX]

A loaf of bread or a pint of beer costs a rich man and a poor man the same, but its harder for the poor man to buy than the rich man.
Stop slagging off your own people and point your fingers and mouth off about where the real money is being drained off.

 

[mointainwalker]

skitzee

I have to say i personally don't think your most-repeated point about tax-evasion vs benefit-fraud ( former is not handing over own money, second is actively stealing someone else's and is worse) is really defensible. Both should be punished. Unfortunately those theiving false claimants are seldom jailed and often only have to repay money at a ridiculously slow rate ( no personal experience, newspapers only) so they are seemingly allowed to keep their gains..

Don't ever recall reading of any real tax evasion cases, just interpretations of tax law like the current case with Seychelles multi-millionaire which revolves around very technical point of tax-law.

However unlike BigTone ( who does seem to dance from one side to the other on this point ) neither do i think a claimant should be allowed to turn down a job on the basis that it's no more than benefit.

 

[malcolmX]

Mointainwalker,
I take it you are in full employment? therefore you have no experience in what its like having to demean yourself having to apply for JSA.

I dont think you are overpaid on JSA.

 

[malcolmX]

Der government ist looking fur suitable contractors to tender fur die building of concentration camps to house welfare benefit claimants.
We are also looking fur big bold aggressive alsations and suppliers of barbed wire.
We are also looking fur staff to run these establishments, must be proficient in the use of clubs and cudgels etc in order to keep these untermench in order.
It is said that the British would never resort to tactics carried out during the last war b******s some of the posts on here are proof that it could happen.

 

[skitzee2k]

Again, I am not defending tax evasion, merely saying stealing is worse.

When it comes to tax avoidance, I am happy with anyone to do that. If you can LEGALLY shield your earnings from paying tax, that is a legal entitlement, like ISAs etc.

 

[skitzee2k]

Der government ist looking fur suitable contractors to tender fur die building of concentration camps to house welfare benefit claimants.
We are also looking fur big bold aggressive alsations and suppliers of barbed wire.
We are also looking fur staff to run these establishments, must be proficient in the use of clubs and cudgels etc in order to keep these untermench in order.
It is said that the British would never resort to tactics carried out during the last war b******s some of the posts on here are proof that it could happen.

...well, historically the British Empire were the inventor of concentration camps.

On a side note, maybe a monitored hostel type place would be better than giving away free houses.

 

[Blasphemous]

As for where 'Here' is, it is a place where I do not dread going to work, where I can make my own rules and where I never have to worry about money (not rich but comfortable). ..probably low/mid middle class i'd guess. Which is to say there is always chilled evian in my fridge, but I remember having to keep candles under the sink for when you ran out of 50ps for the lecky meter.

I remember the candles too! So are you self employed now skitzee or work at a high level within a company?

 

[skitzee2k]

As for where 'Here' is, it is a place where I do not dread going to work, where I can make my own rules and where I never have to worry about money (not rich but comfortable). ..probably low/mid middle class i'd guess. Which is to say there is always chilled evian in my fridge, but I remember having to keep candles under the sink for when you ran out of 50ps for the lecky meter.

I remember the candles too! So are you self employed now skitzee or work at a high level within a company?

Bit of both, I own a stake in a company I work for in a senior role so my future is not entirely in my own hands, which means I can't get sloppy, but does mean there is still more rungs on the ladder too.

How about yourself?

 

[malcolmX]

Der government ist looking fur suitable contractors to tender fur die building of concentration camps to house welfare benefit claimants.
We are also looking fur big bold aggressive alsations and suppliers of barbed wire.
We are also looking fur staff to run these establishments, must be proficient in the use of clubs and cudgels etc in order to keep these untermench in order.
It is said that the British would never resort to tactics carried out during the last war b******s some of the posts on here are proof that it could happen.

...well, historically the British Empire were the inventor of concentration camps.
The British brought in concentration camps during the Boer war.
Quoting you,"Anyone who spends their life on benefits is the lowest form of vermin - Skitzee2K"
I think you would be a suitable recruit for a concentration camp

On a side note, maybe a monitored hostel type place would be better than giving away free houses.

 

[malcolmX]

So Skitzee could be classed as one of the nouveau riche, he probably grew up in a slum and acquired a certain amount of wealth and chose to hide his background.
Up until you own the company 100% you are only a hired hand, Evian water chilling in the fridge what a posuer whats wrong with ordinary tap water, can you tell the difference