Cameron gets tough on benefit cheats !!!!

[skitzee2k]

I wonder if you and your family have ever had to depend on the doctors, schools and hospitals which us honest taxpayers provided? Or the benefitted from the factory inspectors, firemen, health visitors, free milk, public health, midwives and public libraries?

I see he evaded the question. Must be a habit.

I wonder if he was born with a silver spoon in his mouth, and he and his family have always used private schools and private doctors, and refused to accept the state pension?

Or maybe his family used to dip into the public purse, but now he doesn't want to put his share back?

Was this directed at me?
If so...

No, like I have said previously, I have come from a very poor background. Heating or lights sometimes.
My mother, bless her, worked her fingers to the bone to raise us (my sister and I) and paid her taxes and NEVER defrauded anyone for anything. She never accepted that being less well off was an excuse for theft as you are claiming.

 

[JohnD]

Think of the principle will you instead of the numbers.

yep, tax evasion is, in principle, stealing from the community by people who could afford to pay their way, but they are crooks. I am revolted by your tolerance of these swindlers.

So in principle, as well as the large amount of money, it is a despicable crime.

If, as you say, you came from a poor background, then no doubt you and your family have, when they needed it, reaped the advantages of the education, health and welfare system. The way it works is that when you need it, it helps you; and when you have money, you put in. Being too mean and dishonest to pay your share is shameful. Thus tax evasion is inexcusable.

And as Joe knows, evading a payment that is due is not at all the same as failing to make a voluntary charitable contribution.

 

[skitzee2k]

Think of the principle will you instead of the numbers.

yep, tax evasion is, in principle, stealing from the community by people who could afford to pay their way, but they are crooks. I am revolted by your tolerance of these swindlers.

So in principle, as well as the large amount of money, it is a despicable crime.

Being too mean and dishonest to pay your share is shameful

It's not theft when it is your own money.

I have said it again and again.

This idea of yours of paying back what you take is absolutely correct. Maybe we should work out the monetary value of everything someone has claimed from the government, and then work out how much they have given back and then either increase their tax % or decrease it, or stop it if they have paid back more than they have ever taken.

That is fair isn't it?


So say, if I cost the government 15k while growing up for all the free school, free doctors etc that means in under 2 years of work I have paid back everything I have taken growing up...and what with what i pay on VAT, council tax, road tax, insurance tax, that should keep up my share of the payments for the stuff I still use...this means I can go income tax free from now on by your system?

And people that earn a million+ a year should only be asked to pay a few months tax right? After all Being too mean and dishonest to pay your share is shameful. So once they have done this they can stop right?

Surely if everyone pays back what they take, the system will work fine?

 

[JohnD]

I wonder if you are really as stupid as you pretend?

Let's suppose that, like someone I know, you are an 18-year old. You have had a state education and welfare. You leave college and start work. You become ill, and are diagnosed with leukemia. You will have a lot of expensive treatment. You might get better, and have a long and successful career paying plenty of tax and NI; or you might be permanently disabled and unable to work, or you might die.

Only one of those options results in you paying back what you have taken.

In the other two scenarios, they way it works is that the rest of us, healthy, working people and taxpayers, chip in to pay for your care.

Our system is based on the idea that if you need help, you get it. If you are in a position to pay contributions, you pay them. There is no requirement that everyone's contributions match their benefits. Some people are lucky enough to do well, and we expect them to contribute more than those who are less successful.

 

[Big Tone]

And I maintain that it isn't


Tax evasion is also a bigger problem to the nation since the amount is 15 times as high.

If I go to church and steal the Sunday collection the police will be called. If I decide not to put anything on the plate - then will the police be called? I doubt it. So which is the greater crime?

You don’t owe the church anything. If you owed them something and didn’t pay up that’s completely different.

If you sleep with my wife and don’t pay her that’s rape. If you do pay her that’s business.

See the difference?

 

[skitzee2k]

I wonder if you are really as stupid as you pretend?

Let's suppose that, like someone I know, you are an 18-year old. You have had a state education and welfare. You leave college and start work. You become ill, and are diagnosed with leukemia. You will have a lot of expensive treatment. You might get better, and have a long and successful career paying plenty of tax and NI; or you might be permanently disabled and unable to work, or you might die.

Only one of those options results in you paying back what you have taken.

In the other two scenarios, they way it works is that the rest of us, healthy, working people and taxpayers, chip in to pay for your care.

Our system is based on the idea that if you need help, you get it. If you are in a position to pay contributions, you pay them. There is no requirement that everyone's contributions match their benefits. Some people are lucky enough to do well, and we expect them to contribute more than those who are less successful.

Now now John, YOU were the one saying that Being too mean and dishonest to pay your share is shameful
I was agreeing with that statement.

My point is the people you are calling shameful and mean have probably paid back their share twentyfold already.
We shouldn't expect the hard working few to pick up the bill for everyone else.... Or if we do we should give them some fricking respect.
Not everyone has life long illnesses you know and I would say that senario is pretty rare.

I'd say the largest majority of people in a negative (who have taken more than they have given back) are those people that have 3-4 kids in a council house and have never thought for a second that maybe they should have spent time working to save enough to buy a house and look after themselves before pumping out little baby shaped pay cheques.

 

[masona]

And I maintain that it isn't


Tax evasion is also a bigger problem to the nation since the amount is 15 times as high.

If I go to church and steal the Sunday collection the police will be called. If I decide not to put anything on the plate - then will the police be called? I doubt it. So which is the greater crime?

It's only voluntary to put money on the collection plate unlike the tax system

 

[skitzee2k]

And I maintain that it isn't


Tax evasion is also a bigger problem to the nation since the amount is 15 times as high.

If I go to church and steal the Sunday collection the police will be called. If I decide not to put anything on the plate - then will the police be called? I doubt it. So which is the greater crime?

It's only voluntary to put money on the collection plate unlike the tax system

A tithe is not always voluntary. Depends one what religion you are.

Interesting to note that if a million jumps off a cliff, the country is worse off financially...now if a benefit receiver jumps off a cliff... ..so who are more important to our country?

 

[Big Tone]

...now if a benefit receiver jumps off a cliff...

Let's hope he lands on your head...

 

[skitzee2k]

...now if a benefit receiver jumps off a cliff...

Let's hope he lands on your head...

silly me, I got that all wrong.

If a benefit scrounger got someone else to throw them off the cliff (can't believe I would even suggest they would have to do it themselves, poor buggers).

 

[Deleted member 105431]

Not read all this topic just this page .
Dangermouth you say you cannot evade tax because you are PAYE .
But in the combustion chamber you regularly mention fitting boilers etc that are not group service appliances or products and not your everyday job
So do you pay tax on this income or do you evade it .
Perhaps if people like you paid tax due the proper HONEST working man might not have to pay as much

Just had a quick look through the thread whats up your not posting under your other names

Not that its your business but I pay tax on my ENTIRE income, and I post under this name only.

You make assumptions bawbag but know fek all; very ironic of you to talk about honesty when you are infact full of $hit.

 

[Johnmelad502]

and I post under this name only.

You know that is a lie, I know that is a lie and many others on here know that, that is a lie.

Have you ever made a post on this forum where you did not insult someone or a number of people?

Can't say I remember seeing any.

 

[Deluks]

Interesting to note that if a million(aire?) jumps off a cliff, the country is worse off financially...now if a benefit receiver jumps off a cliff... ..so who are more important to our country?

As long as the millionaire doesn't take his cash with him, then someone will still benefit. The govt would receive a large chunk of CGT, or if no family, they'll get the lot.

Money goes round and round, even those receving benefits have to spend their money somewhere, in a shop, keeping someone else in a job. (and paying VAT into the bargain!)

 

[Deleted member 105431]

and I post under this name only.

You know that is a lie, I know that is a lie and many others on here know that, that is a lie.

Have you ever made a post on this forum where you did not insult someone or a number of people?

Can't say I remember seeing any.

Ask the mods/admin its true I only post under dangermouse46. Who do you think I post under then?

I have also made countless helpfull posts mainly in the combustion chamber on this site.

 

[namsag]

Dangermouth.
So when you where banned as dangermouth last year you never posted under another name then. LIE if you say no
And under your other name you use now you use exactly the same terminolgy and words and its so obvious.

So explain exactly how you pay income tax on your other earnings then or should i just phone tax office with your name address and company you work for and see if they pay you a visit .

Tax investigation does you a minimum 6 years and can now go back a lot further so before you start spouting your usual holier than thou sh'te think twice once would be a novelty though.

Helpful posts dont make me laugh 99% of your posts are about BG and your dislike of them