Commons Statement on Hillsborough

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Every disaster in avoidable in hindsight - move on.

Joe, I sometimes admire or even have a good laugh at your posts............but this one is out of order.....put yourself in their families shoes ...not only did they lose their loved ones but the authorities tried to smear them also... I could not and would not want to move on ........you cant just move on .....thats what the authorities wanted them to do so it all gets buried in the sand....very well done to the families and a massive pat on their backs from me
 
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Like I said earlier - I was at that game . I was actually in the turnstile when the shout came that the ground was full and the turnstiles were closed.
So- by my figuring- 'closed is closed '. The scousers outside should have accepted it- and then NO disaster would have happened. Simple as that.
They did not however accept it and were hammering away at the gate and climbing up the walls.
Now though- all the blame is being thrown at police, ambulance people, FA and uncle tom cobbley and all. .
Do you reds really think that the police and others you blame really wanted something like that to happen ?.
Do you not think that they will remember that evening for the rest of their lives ?.
Probably not- because you dont really care about anyone else- just yourselves -'as usual'.

I followed this on the news and in the documentary and can find no documentation that the turstiles was closed and looking at the Hillsborough independant panel on link
http://hillsborough.independent.gov.uk/repository/media/VID0002.html
Also on the BBC website report,key findings ...link
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-19577033
The only gate which was opened and closed for a while was gate C ...if you read up on these websites you will learn alot...I did
If you see that later the instruction was given to open gate C again and that is where the problem lies....although the order was given to open it no contact was made to officers inside the ground that there was thousands coming in at once and that is when they was pushing to the front.
At the turnstiles fans who was climbing up above the walls to escape the crush,lord justice Taylors words not mine.
You really have it in for the scousers and will not accept the full inquiry or the bbc news exonerating those fans on that fateful day will you .
Just for the record Liverpool than like man utd now had a massive following from all over the uk...I remember in the 70s/80 lots of coaches going from yorkshire and even when I have been the odd times with a pal of mine there are still hundreds of coaches from all over the uk..but you still blame the scouse lads for some reason.
 
Like I said earlier - I was at that game . I was actually in the turnstile when the shout came that the ground was full and the turnstiles were closed.
So- by my figuring- 'closed is closed '. The scousers outside should have accepted it- and then NO disaster would have happened. Simple as that.
They did not however accept it and were hammering away at the gate and climbing up the walls.
Now though- all the blame is being thrown at police, ambulance people, FA and uncle tom cobbley and all. .
Do you reds really think that the police and others you blame really wanted something like that to happen ?.
Do you not think that they will remember that evening for the rest of their lives ?.
Probably not- because you dont really care about anyone else- just yourselves -'as usual'.

I followed this on the news and in the documentary and can find no documentation that the turstiles was closed and looking at the Hillsborough independant panel on link
http://hillsborough.independent.gov.uk/repository/media/VID0002.html
Also on the BBC website report,key findings ...link
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-19577033
The only gate which was opened and closed for a while was gate C ...if you read up on these websites you will learn alot...I did
If you see that later the instruction was given to open gate C again and that is where the problem lies....although the order was given to open it no contact was made to officers inside the ground that there was thousands coming in at once and that is when they was pushing to the front.
At the turnstiles fans who was climbing up above the walls to escape the crush,lord justice Taylors words not mine.
You really have it in for the scousers and will not accept the full inquiry or the bbc news exonerating those fans on that fateful day will you .
Just for the record Liverpool than like man utd now had a massive following from all over the uk...I remember in the 70s/80 lots of coaches going from yorkshire and even when I have been the odd times with a pal of mine there are still hundreds of coaches from all over the uk..but you still blame the scouse lads for some reason.

I think somewhere along the line we have got at cross purposes .

The place I was referring to was ay Wolves ground .
1975/76.
You Donkey
 
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Like I said earlier - I was at that game . I was actually in the turnstile when the shout came that the ground was full and the turnstiles were closed.
So- by my figuring- 'closed is closed '. The scousers outside should have accepted it- and then NO disaster would have happened. Simple as that.
They did not however accept it and were hammering away at the gate and climbing up the walls.
Now though- all the blame is being thrown at police, ambulance people, FA and uncle tom cobbley and all. .
Do you reds really think that the police and others you blame really wanted something like that to happen ?.
Do you not think that they will remember that evening for the rest of their lives ?.
Probably not- because you dont really care about anyone else- just yourselves -'as usual'.

I followed this on the news and in the documentary and can find no documentation that the turstiles was closed and looking at the Hillsborough independant panel on link
http://hillsborough.independent.gov.uk/repository/media/VID0002.html
Also on the BBC website report,key findings ...link
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-19577033
The only gate which was opened and closed for a while was gate C ...if you read up on these websites you will learn alot...I did
If you see that later the instruction was given to open gate C again and that is where the problem lies....although the order was given to open it no contact was made to officers inside the ground that there was thousands coming in at once and that is when they was pushing to the front.
At the turnstiles fans who was climbing up above the walls to escape the crush,lord justice Taylors words not mine.
You really have it in for the scousers and will not accept the full inquiry or the bbc news exonerating those fans on that fateful day will you .
Just for the record Liverpool than like man utd now had a massive following from all over the uk...I remember in the 70s/80 lots of coaches going from yorkshire and even when I have been the odd times with a pal of mine there are still hundreds of coaches from all over the uk..but you still blame the scouse lads for some reason.

I think somewhere along the line we have got at cross purposes .

The place I was referring to was ay Wolves ground .
1975/76.
You Donkey

This is from your post
So- by my figuring- 'closed is closed '. The scousers outside should have accepted it- and then NO disaster would have happened. Simple as that

What disaster happened at wolves????
Elighten me
 
Like I said earlier - I was at that game . I was actually in the turnstile when the shout came that the ground was full and the turnstiles were closed.
So- by my figuring- 'closed is closed '. The scousers outside should have accepted it- and then NO disaster would have happened. Simple as that.
They did not however accept it and were hammering away at the gate and climbing up the walls.
Now though- all the blame is being thrown at police, ambulance people, FA and uncle tom cobbley and all. .
Do you reds really think that the police and others you blame really wanted something like that to happen ?.
Do you not think that they will remember that evening for the rest of their lives ?.
Probably not- because you dont really care about anyone else- just yourselves -'as usual'.

I followed this on the news and in the documentary and can find no documentation that the turstiles was closed and looking at the Hillsborough independant panel on link
http://hillsborough.independent.gov.uk/repository/media/VID0002.html
Also on the BBC website report,key findings ...link
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-19577033
The only gate which was opened and closed for a while was gate C ...if you read up on these websites you will learn alot...I did
If you see that later the instruction was given to open gate C again and that is where the problem lies....although the order was given to open it no contact was made to officers inside the ground that there was thousands coming in at once and that is when they was pushing to the front.
At the turnstiles fans who was climbing up above the walls to escape the crush,lord justice Taylors words not mine.
You really have it in for the scousers and will not accept the full inquiry or the bbc news exonerating those fans on that fateful day will you .
Just for the record Liverpool than like man utd now had a massive following from all over the uk...I remember in the 70s/80 lots of coaches going from yorkshire and even when I have been the odd times with a pal of mine there are still hundreds of coaches from all over the uk..but you still blame the scouse lads for some reason.

I think somewhere along the line we have got at cross purposes .

The place I was referring to was ay Wolves ground .
1975/76.
You Donkey

This is from your post
So- by my figuring- 'closed is closed '. The scousers outside should have accepted it- and then NO disaster would have happened. Simple as that

What disaster happened at wolves????
Elighten me

ok - I have no problem retracting that particular quotation.
No disaster happened at Wolves-- but it was a very unpleasant experience being there that evening .

However- let me tell you this -- In this country- anyone who is being prosecuted can elect a trial in any city he or she likes .
Defence Lawyers tell the accused to choose Liverpool.
Know why ?
Because the jury consists of a mix of decent law abiding people and the usual bunch of *****.
More chance of walking free in Liverpool than anywhere else in the country.
Off for my tea now - scouse and salmon pie . :LOL:
 
Sooey wrote

He has been immersed in "WHY" for the last 23 years.

Just inform him they died because a bunch of louts wanted desperately to see a football match.
Let the louts be named and shamed. The true killers on that fateful day.
But they will never stand forward because they are cowards.
 
Like I said earlier - I was at that game . I was actually in the turnstile when the shout came that the ground was full and the turnstiles were closed.
So- by my figuring- 'closed is closed '. The scousers outside should have accepted it- and then NO disaster would have happened. Simple as that.
They did not however accept it and were hammering away at the gate and climbing up the walls.
Now though- all the blame is being thrown at police, ambulance people, FA and uncle tom cobbley and all. .
Do you reds really think that the police and others you blame really wanted something like that to happen ?.
Do you not think that they will remember that evening for the rest of their lives ?.
Probably not- because you dont really care about anyone else- just yourselves -'as usual'.

Spot on.
 
Like I said earlier - I was at that game . I was actually in the turnstile when the shout came that the ground was full and the turnstiles were closed.
So- by my figuring- 'closed is closed '. The scousers outside should have accepted it- and then NO disaster would have happened. Simple as that.
They did not however accept it and were hammering away at the gate and climbing up the walls.
Now though- all the blame is being thrown at police, ambulance people, FA and uncle tom cobbley and all. .
Do you reds really think that the police and others you blame really wanted something like that to happen ?.
Do you not think that they will remember that evening for the rest of their lives ?.
Probably not- because you dont really care about anyone else- just yourselves -'as usual'.

I followed this on the news and in the documentary and can find no documentation that the turstiles was closed and looking at the Hillsborough independant panel on link
http://hillsborough.independent.gov.uk/repository/media/VID0002.html
Also on the BBC website report,key findings ...link
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-19577033
The only gate which was opened and closed for a while was gate C ...if you read up on these websites you will learn alot...I did
If you see that later the instruction was given to open gate C again and that is where the problem lies....although the order was given to open it no contact was made to officers inside the ground that there was thousands coming in at once and that is when they was pushing to the front.
At the turnstiles fans who was climbing up above the walls to escape the crush,lord justice Taylors words not mine.
You really have it in for the scousers and will not accept the full inquiry or the bbc news exonerating those fans on that fateful day will you .
Just for the record Liverpool than like man utd now had a massive following from all over the uk...I remember in the 70s/80 lots of coaches going from yorkshire and even when I have been the odd times with a pal of mine there are still hundreds of coaches from all over the uk..but you still blame the scouse lads for some reason.

I think somewhere along the line we have got at cross purposes .

The place I was referring to was ay Wolves ground .
1975/76.
You Donkey

This is from your post
So- by my figuring- 'closed is closed '. The scousers outside should have accepted it- and then NO disaster would have happened. Simple as that

What disaster happened at wolves????
Elighten me

ok - I have no problem retracting that particular quotation.
No disaster happened at Wolves-- but it was a very unpleasant experience being there that evening .

However- let me tell you this -- In this country- anyone who is being prosecuted can elect a trial in any city he or she likes .
Defence Lawyers tell the accused to choose Liverpool.
Know why ?
Because the jury consists of a mix of decent law abiding people and the usual bunch of *****.
More chance of walking free in Liverpool than anywhere else in the country.
Off for my tea now - scouse and salmon pie . :LOL:
Retracting that quotation.........ffs we all know it was aimed at hillsborough,,if you are not sure here is the item you wrote again
Like I said earlier - I was at that game . I was actually in the turnstile when the shout came that the ground was full and the turnstiles were closed.
So- by my figuring- 'closed is closed '. The scousers outside should have accepted it- and then NO disaster would have happened. Simple as that.
They did not however accept it and were hammering away at the gate and climbing up the walls.
Now though- all the blame is being thrown at police, ambulance people, FA and uncle tom cobbley and all. .
Do you reds really think that the police and others you blame really wanted something like that to happen ?.
Do you not think that they will remember that evening for the rest of their lives ?.
Probably not- because you dont really care about anyone else- just yourselves -'as usual'.

Read it all again....it is ALL about hillsborough..
I thought from some of your comments you was telling lies,now I know you are...I doubt for one second that you was at any of those games especially at Hillsborough because if you was you would have had sympathy and the only reason you are saying you was there was to help with the mud slinging.
I am a great advocate of the truth and cannot stand liars like yourself , I summed you up when you said you read the s@n with Boris Johnson articles........FFS get a life.
 
Sooey wrote

He has been immersed in "WHY" for the last 23 years.

Just inform him they died because a bunch of louts wanted desperately to see a football match.
Let the louts be named and shamed. The true killers on that fateful day.
But they will never stand forward because they are cowards.

Ok Lord justice Taylor,the independant panel was all wrong ...and you are right
jeeeeeeeeeeeez :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
Like I said earlier - I was at that game . I was actually in the turnstile when the shout came that the ground was full and the turnstiles were closed.
So- by my figuring- 'closed is closed '. The scousers outside should have accepted it- and then NO disaster would have happened. Simple as that.
They did not however accept it and were hammering away at the gate and climbing up the walls.
Now though- all the blame is being thrown at police, ambulance people, FA and uncle tom cobbley and all. .
Do you reds really think that the police and others you blame really wanted something like that to happen ?.
Do you not think that they will remember that evening for the rest of their lives ?.
Probably not- because you dont really care about anyone else- just yourselves -'as usual'.

Spot on.

Not spot on but lies,lies and damned lies...
 
Like I said earlier - I was at that game . I was actually in the turnstile when the shout came that the ground was full and the turnstiles were closed.
So- by my figuring- 'closed is closed '. The scousers outside should have accepted it- and then NO disaster would have happened. Simple as that.
They did not however accept it and were hammering away at the gate and climbing up the walls.
Now though- all the blame is being thrown at police, ambulance people, FA and uncle tom cobbley and all. .
Do you reds really think that the police and others you blame really wanted something like that to happen ?.
Do you not think that they will remember that evening for the rest of their lives ?.
Probably not- because you dont really care about anyone else- just yourselves -'as usual'.

Spot on.

Not spot on but lies,lies and damned lies...

No its absolutely spot on.
 
Like I said earlier - I was at that game . I was actually in the turnstile when the shout came that the ground was full and the turnstiles were closed.
So- by my figuring- 'closed is closed '. The scousers outside should have accepted it- and then NO disaster would have happened. Simple as that.
They did not however accept it and were hammering away at the gate and climbing up the walls.
Now though- all the blame is being thrown at police, ambulance people, FA and uncle tom cobbley and all. .
Do you reds really think that the police and others you blame really wanted something like that to happen ?.
Do you not think that they will remember that evening for the rest of their lives ?.
Probably not- because you dont really care about anyone else- just yourselves -'as usual'.

Spot on.

Not spot on but lies,lies and damned lies...

No its absolutely spot on.
How is it spot on....I pointed out the errors and he the said he made a mistake in one quote but I then pointed out his whole quote was about that game.....and sheep like you are just nodding your heads.....be your own man and listen to the correct reports which I have posted links to.
I will say again I am a great believer in the truth and the reports are all telling it but people like yourself wont accept it but just keep nodding your head and agreeing , you dont also read the s@n do you?
 
Sooey wrote

He has been immersed in "WHY" for the last 23 years.

Just inform him they died because a bunch of louts wanted desperately to see a football match.
Let the louts be named and shamed. The true killers on that fateful day.
But they will never stand forward because they are cowards.

The only coward I can see here is you, a prick and a coward?
 
Like I said earlier - I was at that game . I was actually in the turnstile when the shout came that the ground was full and the turnstiles were closed.
So- by my figuring- 'closed is closed '. The scousers outside should have accepted it- and then NO disaster would have happened. Simple as that.
They did not however accept it and were hammering away at the gate and climbing up the walls.
Now though- all the blame is being thrown at police, ambulance people, FA and uncle tom cobbley and all. .
Do you reds really think that the police and others you blame really wanted something like that to happen ?.
Do you not think that they will remember that evening for the rest of their lives ?.
Probably not- because you dont really care about anyone else- just yourselves -'as usual'.

Spot on.

Spot on?....and the idiot wasnt even talking about the Hillsborough disaster, he was talking about the fantasy game he went to....try and keep up idiot.
 
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