Concerning CET recondition pcb's

[geoff@cetltd]

Does anyone really believe all the national service organisations, insurance backed providers and even manufacturers covering own extended warranty's, exclusively use only brand new genuine parts every time?

Because I don't.

DING !

watch this space

 

[Dan Robinson]

So they repair a gas boiler PCB with non approved parts.

No we don't we repair like for like or better

Bung that in a boiler and the gas valve doesn't close.

more likely to happen with an original pcb than one we've tested
can't get your head around that, can you?

If you are going to use the quote function, at least use it properly.


Who says they are better? Your insurers?

Tibbot, who knows mate. I am not Intergas. They might argue that you have to open the wall out more so that the joint is visible, or use the stand off frame.

Or on the last one I did. We had to mount the boiler on a 12mm sheet of ply which brought the joint out flush with the wall.


Besides, why would it be more naughty?

I have asked repeatedly very simple questions for a person in Geoff's position yet is obfuscates and evades.

 

[Dan Robinson]

Does anyone really believe all the national service organisations, insurance backed providers and even manufacturers covering own extended warranty's, exclusively use only brand new genuine parts every time?

Because I don't.

DING !

watch this space

Why not answer the questions I have put to you?

 

[Tibbot]

It's naughty because like you say about CET, they have no approval to do so. It's an afterthought borne out of the fact that someone ****** up when designing the F/R connections in the path of the standard flue route.

My point is, by the high standards you set, you should refuse to deal with them too.

 

[geoff@cetltd]

End of the day whether you agree with recon or not. The OP has seemed to come on here to slag a company off a drag them through the mud, which is wrong, the company by the comments on here seem to give a good service most of the time, we all have bad days in business now and again.

WTF with being from Indonesia though Geoff?

Karena says lebih sukah tinggal di Indonesia

Why not? I lived there, have a house there, speak the lingo, am married to an Indonesian, its different ... and there's no law against it

The website IS garbage though

A lot of people comment on how good it is - these are people who are cold and want heat, they dan't want flashing inaheges and pretty pictures.
It is though, very old and currently undergoing a major rehash - watch this space

 

[Dan Robinson]

The OV boiler is a UK only product. for it to be OV the pipes have to come out of the top.

I can't think of an install where i have used the offset flue with the boiler not sitting off the wall for one reason or another.

Besides.... how many manufacturer's have telescopic flues - by your argument they all need attention too..... imagine all those Suprima's that came with one as standard .

THe joy of TB008 is that it has been revised many times. I will look again, but I am sure there is allowance "engineering judgement" and alternative testing methods. The Mighty Gash has several convenient points to test for vitiation.

 

[Dan Robinson]

Karena says lebih sukah tinggal di Indonesia

As does Hepatitis . Although I am sure it is a beautiful country. Hope your BIL is going to be OK.



Would still like some answers to my basic questions asked earlier this evening.

 

[geoff@cetltd]

Repaired & recycled parts are nothing new and I'm not sure there is anything illegal about them. They are not snide copies after all.

Big difference between repaired and recycled. Geoff refused to answer what the difference is between repaired and refurbished.

We repair, what's your point?

A lot of boiler manufacturers are very clear what their policy is towards this kind of thing.

WTF do you expect? we're breaking their rip off monopoly

You are assuming the responsibility for the safety of the boiler if you fit anything not manufacturer approved.

like for like replacement of components - -wish you coukld get that into your thick head

I wonder if CET's - or any other of these refurb places - have the correct insurance?

10 million public liability if that's what you mean

I sure as shit don't as was discussed with Gas Safe recently when i was asked to design the gas draw off from an anaerobic digester.

Goes without saying, we don't need another Buncefield

Simples.
click


Cleaning up a few dried joints is totally difference to replacing components.

 

[Tibbot]

Telescopic is not deemed as a flue joint for the purposes of the new rules. The offset flue join is.

I don't believe someone of your standing would try to explain it other than as a design **** up.

 

[Tibbot]

"engineering judgement"

That reads like a euphemism for bending the rules. Why is that OK for covering up for Intergas' non-approved application but not for CET's?

 

[geoff@cetltd]

I doubt it's rocket science that these guys are up to.

No it isn't most faults are fairly straightforward, but we do build test sets for EVERY pcb abd functionally test it before sending it out with 12 months warranty


A large percentage of electronics failures are due to dry joints [snipped]
so you can replace them with exactly the same spec component.

well, yes, but testing is absolutely important

There's very little chance of changing the logic of the component by doing the above, most of that is undertaken by 'chips' which will take 40+ years to degrade in most applications.

To answer those questioning modern PCB assembly, look up capacitor plague on wikipedia. A typical example of how volatile electronics can be even from the factory. One failed copy of a recipe doubtless caused countless premature failure of assembled board, including those in otherwise working boilers.

capacitors, lack of snubber networks on fan relays, underspecc'd mains transformers, that sort of thing

 

[Dan Robinson]

"engineering judgement"

That reads like a euphemism for bending the rules. Why is that OK for covering up for Intergas' non-approved application but not for CET's?

All has nothing to do with manufacturer's declarations of conformity which Geoff is skirting - poorly.

But then he and I have been there before haven't we? .


He can test all he likes, but will he declare conformity?

Repeatedly he says his replaced components are better... but who says?

And will they say in what environment they are better?

 

[geoff@cetltd]

What about the worster pcb fault where burner fires without fan and melts the **** id rather that be OEM PART THAN A RECON

This comes down to manufacturer design defect, it should fail safe, and ionisation flame sensing goes a long way in this being the case, HOWEVER, as bkue van man says in the next thread - -Profiles have a failure mode which brings on both gas valves without the spark

 

[geoff@cetltd]

Profiles kept the Gas Valve open too IIRC.

Absolutely - haver you ever rep[laced a profile pcb, knowing that this failure mode exists? bet you have yopu bad boy

this is a manufacturer's design fault, oh sorry manufacturers don't get it wrong

Suprima boards could do all sorts

And I bet you've fitted replacement pcbs in them too

it get's worse

.

 

[Dan Robinson]

What about the worster pcb fault where burner fires without fan and melts the **** id rather that be OEM PART THAN A RECON

This comes down to manufacturer design defect, it should fail safe, and ionisation flame sensing goes a long way in this being the case, HOWEVER, as bkue van man says in the next thread - -Profiles have a failure mode which brings on both gas valves without the spark

I also added IIRC. Meaning I couldn't be 100%^.

Tibbot - just read edition 3 of TB008 - no mention of telescopic flues being exempt .

BTW - Raden - my new van is Midnight Pearl. .

You still haven't answered my questions from earlier this evening; which should cover most issues raised in this thread besides alleged poor customer service.