Death in the channel…again

[Roy Bloom]

If that were a valid argument it would support them not being there at all.

The sheer numbers of potential casualties suggests that several rescue boats would be needed.
How many casualties can one rescue boat rescue?

 

[blup]

And replace them with exactly which bunch of rabble?

As things stand even the libdems would do a better job

Blup

 

[blup]

Seafarers worldwide save fellow mariners regardless of nationality.

Blup

 

[robinbanks]

Seafarers worldwide save fellow mariners regardless of nationality.

A notion that, if every human applied it to a fellow human being, would resolve nearly every problem one can think of

 

[motorbiking]

Unfortunately we don’t live in that world.

We live on a small over crowded island with apparently crumbling and overstretched public resources that have to cope with 3/4M more people each year.

And you only have to look at the nationalities of the illegals to know that they aren’t refugees. They may be able to argue asylum by fleeing other kinds of persecution. But not refugees as per the intent of the convention.

 

[blup]

Unfortunately we don’t live in that world.

We live on a small over crowded island with apparently crumbling and overstretched public resources that have to cope with 3/4M more people each year.

And you only have to look at the nationalities of the illegals to know that they aren’t refugees. They may be able to argue asylum by fleeing other kinds of persecution. But not refugees as per the intent of the convention.

Not small, not overcrowded

Blup

 

[Brigadier]

Seafarers worldwide save fellow mariners regardless of nationality.

Blup

No comment on the morality of the issue, but to call the trafficked "mariners" is a stretch.


I've got a collection of RAB gear and have walked in the hills, but it don't make me a mountaineer.

 

[motorbiking]

I would rescue anyone, and have rescued people who are frankly ridiculously stupid. From solo fisherman falling in drunk to idiots trying to paddle to the iow on a toy dingy on a mid spring tide.

They and the illegals are all “seafarers” in that they find themselves at sea. But the idiots I come across are not setting off with the intent and knowledge of breaking the law.

SOLAS is a bit naive when looking at people trafficking gangs deliberately setting out in unsafe craft in order to get a free taxi to the U.K.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

I think it goes wider afield, I don't think western governments can carry on like they've been used to, if they do they're on a road to nowhere. Que song.

Governments all over the world (not just western) need to reassess the whole migration thing. Anybody with more than 3 brain cells knows this issue is not going anywhere, it's only going to escalate. Listening to politicians spout their guff (whilst pointing with their thumb) saying 'we need to get tough on the criminals who profit from this' so how's that's going? I'll tell you how far they'll get with that. Nowhere. The same with the 'war on drugs' how's that going? Governments are incapable of stopping those at the top and in the rare cases when they do, others will rapidly take the place of those caught.

 

[blup]

No comment on the morality of the issue, but to call the trafficked "mariners" is a stretch.


I've got a collection of RAB gear and have walked in the hills, but it don't make me a mountaineer.

Just the sort of climber/walker that needs rescuing from time to time. If you need help you need help. Don’t assume that people in a dinghy in the channel are illegal immigrants

Blup

 

[diy_fun_uk]

Unfortunately we don’t live in that world.

We live on a small over crowded island with apparently crumbling and overstretched public resources that have to cope with 3/4M more people each year.

And you only have to look at the nationalities of the illegals to know that they aren’t refugees. They may be able to argue asylum by fleeing other kinds of persecution. But not refugees as per the intent of the convention.

I agree the migration issue needs addressed, I disagree it's the main (or anywhere near the main) issue with regard to issues with our public services, housing etc. That's not to say it's not a contributing factor, of course it is, however the main reason is mismanagement and sh1t longer term strategy from government ... who are quite happy to deflect the causes to things like migrants.

 

[gant]

There's an article in the guardian about Wilders and reading the comments I was surprised by how many comments that proved popular amongst the readers, were along the line of you ignore the electorate, don't expect them to keep coming back for more.

 

[motorbiking]

Just the sort of climber/walker that needs rescuing from time to time. If you need help you need help. Don’t assume that people in a dinghy in the channel are illegal immigrants

Blup

I haven't seen any for ages in the UK, they'd be well lost to come across me, but I've seen them a lot in the med. The process in the Med is different. Hellenic coast guard will get very p**ed off if you help them unless people are actually in the water. You call in their location and they send out a couple of military ribs to "help" them back to Turkey.

 

[Brigadier]

Don’t assume that people in a dinghy in the channel are illegal immigrants

I didn't.

 

[denso13]

They aren't nuts, they're desperate

And it's their only route here.