Death penalty

[noseall]

So what I am being asked to believe ? Is if that 20 years was on death row it would be more ?

How so ?

Death row prisoners cost the state a heck of a lot more than regular con's - correct.

 

[transam]

Death row prisoners cost the state a heck of a lot more than regular con's - correct.

No imo that’s a load of nonsense in respect to lifers / convicted murderers

Not really relevant but

Those in broadmoor cost the state 250 grand a year per inmate

But afaik broad moor is not a prison so it’s irrelevant although imho there are a few in there that would be dispatched

 

[transam]

No. Totally missing the point.

WHO EXACTLY decides any case is clear cut.

It's not about what is or isn't clear on a forum. On a legal, state level, somebody has to make that decision. Who should it be?

Too easy just to use slogans !

Given a decent financial package with perks I would take the job and
I would decide

Don’t see a problem ?

Lee rigby
Joe cox
David amiss

I would start with them cases

 

[transam]

In America I would guess it's extra staffing costs. Higher security, suicide watch. In the UK I believe the sentence was carried out more quickly. But I haven't actually checked that!

Well
Perhaps bump em off early than so as to save on costs

Just because the US do some thing does not mean the UK has to

It could all be sorted in 6 months tops and that’s pushing it imo

Under certain circumstances imo some found guilty would be bumped off within a week

But I suppose we should maintain some standards so give it a month ???

 

[JonathanM]

These two legal scholars have the same idea as me

The authors propose that the requisite burden of proof in the penalty phase of a capital trial should be raised from beyond a reasonable doubt to beyond all possible doubt.

Proof Beyond All Possible Doubt: Is there a Need for Higher Burden of Proof When the Sentence May Be Death?

Recent studies conclude that errors occur in the American capital punishment system with such frequency that it is entirely foreseeable that, if continued unaltered, numerous innocent persons will be executed. Assuming that this is unacceptable but that America will wish to continue to utilize...

scholarship.kentlaw.iit.edu

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Well
Perhaps bump em off early than so as to save on costs

Just because the US do some thing does not mean the UK has to

It could all be sorted in 6 months tops and that’s pushing it imo

Under certain circumstances imo some found guilty would be bumped off within a week

But I suppose we should maintain some standards so give it a month ???

Still missing the point.

Who is going to be authorised to decide what's clear cut and what's not?

If its not clear cut, why is there ahy sentence issued. If it is clear cut and later turns out to be wrong, as has happened before?

It's a great shout on a forum. It's not so easy in reality. But gotta love a slogan

 

[transam]

Still missing the point.

Who is going to be authorised to decide what's clear cut and what's not?

If its not clear cut, why is there ahy sentence issued. If it is clear cut and later turns out to be wrong, as has happened before?

It's a great shout on a forum. It's not so easy in reality. But gotta love a slogan

How many times do you have an answer

I will do it as could any one else with common sense ( agreed that counts you out )

You and others deliberately make a simplistic decision complicated and it ain’t

But hey ho gotta love yer usual ball cocks

Remind me what your job is

 

[noseall]

No imo that’s a load of nonsense in respect to lifers / convicted murderers

You see hard facts as nonsense? Probably how your 'ed is wired. 'Tis the way it is. Suck it up all of you that think it's a wise choice economically to keep them on death row.
Shmucks.

 

[transam]

Load of nonsense we’re are your hard facts doubt you have any because we have not had the death penalty in the UK since the 60s ?? So best you jog on noseall with yer made up nonsense

schmuck

 

[Mrs Ten Names]

Load of nonsense we’re are your hard facts doubt you have any because we have not had the death penalty in the UK since the 60s ?? So best you jog on noseall with yer made up nonsense

Transam very recently suggested that UK consult the practises of El Salvador.
Now here is, denying the relevance of what happens in others countries.

You have to admire his consistency.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

How many times do you have an answer

I will do it as could any one else with common sense ( agreed that counts you out )

You and others deliberately make a simplistic decision complicated and it ain’t

But hey ho gotta love yer usual ball cocks

Remind me what your job is

Rather than going round in circles spouting your usual stuff, just try answering.

Who do you propose makes the decision that it is clear cut? Be specific.

It's so easy on the forum, I know. Now take it a step further.

 

[transam]

Rather than going round in circles spouting your usual stuff, just try answering.

Who do you propose makes the decision that it is clear cut? Be specific.

It's so easy on the forum, I know. Now take it a step further.

The irony

Tis you who is going around in circles spouting yer usual ball Cocks

Make yer case for the doubt of guilt for the Lee rigby murderers

Joe cox

David amiss

You say there guilt is not clear cut

Ok crack on ???? Make the case ??

What did you say you do ??

 

[Mrs Ten Names]

The irony

Tis you who is going around in circles spouting yer usual ball Cocks

Make yer case for the doubt of guilt for the Lee rigby murderers

Joe cox

David amiss

You say there guilt is not clear cut

Ok crack on ???? Make the case ??

What did you say you do ??

If the law changed tomorrow, it wouldn't be retrospective.
So those murders are irrelevant.
You need to state your case for the future, not the past.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

The irony

Tis you who is going around in circles spouting yer usual ball Cocks

Make yer case for the doubt of guilt for the Lee rigby murderers

Joe cox

David amiss

You say there guilt is not clear cut

Ok crack on ???? Make the case ??

What did you say you do ??

WHO makes the decision? I cannot make the question any simpler, even for you.

Just to make it CLEAR CUT for you. Ive never said they are not clear cut cases. Ive asked who makes the legal decision that they are ?

 

[blup]

so labour voting people voted for a right wing idea in protest at tony blair moving labour to the right .

Yep they went for the real deal.