Do deterrents deter?

[joe-90]

It will never be reintroduced. Why are you wasting time talking about it?

 

[masona]

For those who harp on and on about Human Rights, just remember that no one gave a thought to the same Human Rights, victims of crime had before becoming victims. It's this facet of the whole HR thing that urgently needs addressing, but that's a whole new debate.

The Tory manifesto promised to create a new UK Bill of Rights to replace the Human Rights Act and because of the coalition therefore was dropped as part of a compromise with the Lib Dems.

Going off topic here!

 

[joinerjohn]

I know that Joe, but it's a subject debated quite often. The subject of the OP was do deterrents work? Sadly the majority reckon they don't, so why not debate the ultimate deterrent? All hypothetical of course, unless somehow a future government manages to extricate the UK from Europe and un-sign all these agreements. , then this subject might become relevant.

 

[joe-90]

One good deterrent would be to make crims pay for the helicopter chase, time in prison etc.

You go to uni it costs you 9 grand a year that you have to pay back. You go to prison and it cost the taxpayer 20 grand a year - but they don't have to pay it back. Why?

 

[Norcon]

There's no such thing as never.
There's a fine line between civility and anarchy.
When the oil runs done there will be anarchy, bloodshed and war.

There expecting more looting next year are they not? And considering shooting fire starters on sight!

 

[joinerjohn]

One good deterrent would be to make crims pay for the helicopter chase, time in prison etc.

You go to uni it costs you 9 grand a year that you have to pay back. You go to prison and it cost the taxpayer 20 grand a year - but they don't have to pay it back. Why?

How do they then pay this money back Joe? Simples, they come out and commit even more crime.

 

[joe-90]

Then you lock them up for double the time.

 

[joinerjohn]

Then you lock them up for double the time.

Costing double again.
Much better to use them as slave labour I reckon. Make em pay for their time in prison the hard way, by forcing them to earn money for the prison authorities. Any that don't work in prison should be denied food, heating etc, until they do work.



Cruel ,, ain't I.

 

[Norcon]

Russian style gulags is what we need.

 

[TheOriginalTonkaToy]

if someone is proved 100% to be a bad person then hang them

They thought Timothy Evans was 100% a bad person. They hanged him and they were wrong.

Numerous miscarriages of justice over the years are sufficient proof for me that the system doesn't always get it right and that in itself is reason enough not to bring back any form of capital punishment.

 

[libby lou lou]

Russian style gulags is what we need.

Or the I ra ?

 

[gasbanni]

if someone is proved 100% to be a bad person then hang them

They thought Timothy Evans was 100% a bad person. They hanged him and they were wrong.

Numerous miscarriages of justice over the years are sufficient proof for me that the system doesn't always get it right and that in itself is reason enough not to bring back any form of capital punishment.

Hanratty was thought innocent and held up as a miscarriage of justice untill dna proved he was guilty. There are not numerous cases of innocent people being hanged, there are however numerous cases of murderers been released and going on to kill again this point is stated in the following book and also the deterrent value of capital punishment
http://www.abebooks.co.uk/9780330316330/Hangmans-Tale-Memoirs-Public-Executioner-0330316338/plp

Prison a deterrent dont make me laugh, just had word back from an acquaintance prison is no hardship.