Disgusting depending on your viewpoint

hotncold said:
the whole friggin' lot
hotncold said:
what a load of old bull!

Well what can I say - these wonderful one liner responses are obviously written by someone who knows more in relation to sexual health than anyone else.

Both of you're 'one liner' replies show disrespect for others in relation to opinions and the sharing of information

The only conclusion I can ascertain from your highly informative responses are that my posts are too close for comfort.

Come on then, give us all some of your pearls of wisdom in relation to sexual health issues - It would be great to engage in this kind of debate with you!

Remember hotncold if you can't offer an constructive comments or criticisms - you do have a choice to either make no comment or switch off your computer!

Julie
 
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hotncold said:
the whole friggin' lot

Perhaps then you can point out as to what is factually wrong with the previous posts. I am no expert in these matters but Julie's and Damocles' points seem pretty salient to me.

Did read somewhile ago though, that prostitutes in South Africa regularly having unprotected sex with men in the mining industry contracted a remarkably low level of STIs. What was peculiar was that once these women came off the game and resumed more 'normal' sexual activities, the rate of contraction of STIs increased markedly. No one really able to provide a rigorous thesis as to why this should be, but it was thought that the bodies immune system seems to work out when activities are getting a bit 'dangerous' and goes into overdrive in developing its own antibodies to combat invading organisms.

Also unclear as to the quality of the research. Interested to hear comments though.
 
Damn...you got got in before me, Julie. Quite right too, though.....if you do not agree with the content of a post you are hardly able to convey much thought - if any does exist - with one dismissive sentence.
 
sorry, couldn't resist, comments more geared toward the first item.
I'm all for condoms by the way -the girlfriend likes the strawberry ones best. :D
 
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Never tried one, but I imagine it must be an improvement on 'spermicidally lubricated'. And I remember something saying that spermicides may help to reduce pregnancy but increased your chance of getting HIV.
 
Did read somewhile ago though, that prostitutes in South Africa regularly having unprotected sex with men in the mining industry contracted a remarkably low level of STIs. What was peculiar was that once these women came off the game and resumed more 'normal' sexual activities, the rate of contraction of STIs increased markedly. No one really able to provide a rigorous thesis as to why this should be, but it was thought that the bodies immune system seems to work out when activities are getting a bit 'dangerous' and goes into overdrive in developing its own antibodies to combat invading organisms.

I did a piece of work with prostitutes (they like to be called working women by the way) in 2001 - although I found very little pathology (9 chlaymdia infections) the actual source of infection was difficult to ascertain - I was sure in view of their sexual histories that most of the women picked up the infection from their regular partner who in some of the cases was also their pimp and 'managed' other girls

I have seen many working women in the GUM clinics who get infections - they are extremely careful though in relation to their sexual working practices but will distinguish between work and pleasure by not using condoms with their boyfriends/husbands - quite often though they feel guilty and are often blamed by their partners as being the source of the infection when this isn't the case.
Interestingly though, I was helping my colleague with his Msc dissertation - he wanted to see how aware the men were re STI that visited massage parlours - I took out about 100 questionnaire for him - he got about 35 replies - we were stunned as well over 50% of theses men were married and admitted to have unprotected sex at the massage parlours - whilst I knew it went on I wasn't aware that it was that common.

In relation to HIV transmission - I certainly know of patients who are HIV positive and have negative partners who are having regular unprotected intercourse and just don't pick it up - it is exactly the same with other STI -why they don't pick it up is possibly related to their immunity - but the general consensus of medical opinion is that you will eventually pick it up.

There are also some people with HIV that are called 'non progressors' which means that they haven't needed any medication in relation to their HIV infection, all of their blood results are within 'normal limits' - I still know a few from 19 yrs ago when I cam into the speciality that are absolutely fine - HIV is such an individualised infection - you can have several people infected at the same time but how they progress with the infection is different for each one but I suppose you could say the same for other such like terminal problems.


Damocles - you are right in relation to spermicidally lubricated condoms - when I take condoms to the massage parlours I give out the non spermicidal condoms as research has shown (when undertaken with working women) that spermicide can damage the vaginal (and anal)mucosa - which can facilitate HIV transmission.
Flavoured condoms are ok for sex but lots of people use them for oral sex as the standard lubricant doesn't taste very nice. But using them for intercourse can induce some non sexual infections in women (thrush, bacterial vaginosis) as the flavouring alter the vaginal PH allowing the normal flora to flourish.
I give out all sorts of flavours blueberry, banana, mint, vanilla, chocolate, strawberry and even cocktail flavoured! - the women in the saunas do use them for oral sex and the darker ones are used when they are on their periods.
You can also get condoms in large and for the man who is 'penaly' compromised they do come in a trim size!!

Julie
 
Didn't I read somewhere that one of the fastest growing age group of HIV positive cases was amongst the slightly "older" generation i.e. 50 -60. I could well have made that up, I've got to put the kids to bed in a minute :LOL:
 
There are increases in all age groups - although I'm not aware that this particular group has the fastest growing rate of infections.
I'm pretty sure that the most common age groups in relation to HIV for both men and women is around 25-39yrs
Published data is usually at least a year old - so maybe there has been something recently in the press that you have heard about
You can get a lot of data re HIV and STI's from:

www.hpa.org.uk/

Just type HIV data in the sites search engine. It gives you the National stats up to 2003 I think

As I'm from the Northwest I also look at the local picture in relation to Northwest Primary Care Trusts.
This site gives a really good breakdown of demographics, age, ethnicity etc:

www.nwpho.org.uk/hiv/
 
The program about the black death examined records from the time about who had died and who survived. Tracing relatives they discovered some who were totally immune, some who got sick but recovered and the general run of people who just turned up their toes.Two copies of the relevant gene and you survived, one and you were likely to survive if you also got nursing care while you were sick. Otherwise, tough luck.

Then they compared genes with someone immune to HIV and decided that he had the identical genes. Western Europe has a long history of plague deaths which has built up immunity amongst the survivors. Africa has no such history. This may be one explanation why the disease has spread so much there while it has been contained here. I don't know if there is yet any good estimate of what proportion of the population has either complete or partial natural immunity.
 
Actually, what I posted re pro's...er whoops..working women in South Africa is not quite correct. It wasn't in reference to STIs per se, but specifically HIV. They were only researching HIV matters.

Very interesting stuff, Julie. Just seems a slight contradiction...perhaps it's just the way I ead the post...

david and julie said:
I did a piece of work with prostitutes (they like to be called working women by the way) in 2001 - although I found very little pathology (9 chlaymdia infections) the actual source of infection was difficult to ascertain - I was sure in view of their sexual histories that most of the women picked up the infection from their regular partner who in some of the cases was also their pimp and 'managed' other girls.

I have seen many working women in the GUM clinics who get infections - they are extremely careful though in relation to their sexual working practices but will distinguish between work and pleasure by not using condoms with their boyfriends/husbands - quite often though they feel guilty and are often blamed by their partners as being the source of the infection when this isn't the case.
Interestingly though, I was helping my colleague with his Msc dissertation - he wanted to see how aware the men were re STI that visited massage parlours - I took out about 100 questionnaire for him - he got about 35 replies - we were stunned as well over 50% of theses men were married and admitted to have unprotected sex at the massage parlours - whilst I knew it went on I wasn't aware that it was that common.

In relation to HIV transmission - I certainly know of patients who are HIV positive and have negative partners who are having regular unprotected intercourse and just don't pick it up - it is exactly the same with other STI -why they don't pick it up is possibly related to their immunity - but the general consensus of medical opinion is that you will eventually pick it up.

Well the girls you were working with (you know what I mean!) presumably are not employed in the massage parlours 'cos they are clearly more disciplined re safe sex?


david and julie said:
You can also get condoms in large and for the man who is 'penaly' compromised they do come in a trim size!!

Julie

That's me! Such is my deficiency that all I require is to snip the bit off the end and I am catered for! Actually, this is false modesty, the very opposite is true as once when considering circumcision - having been convinced of the increased sensitivity argument - I was advised that to go ahead with such an operation would be life threatening as I would risk losing half my own body weight! :LOL:
 
chainsaw_masochist said:
That's me! Such is my deficiency that all I require is to snip the bit off the end and I am catered for! Actually, this is false modesty, the very opposite is true as once when considering circumcision - having been convinced of the increased sensitivity argument - I was advised that to go ahead with such an operation would be life threatening as I would risk losing half my own body weight! :LOL:

I know you jest (surprised you didn't make a comment on giving the surgeon "a large tip" ;) ) but circumcision is proper Bo.

Due to an unfortunate zip incident I had to join the synagogue, shall we say. I wouldn't recommend it is a club to join for the hell of it, but women I have "known" who have "known" many men, have commented on how clean and hygienic it is compared to the smelly offerings of some of the roll-neck equipped members of our gender. After they faint of course (just keeping in the spirit of chainsaw's post :LOL: )

The decreased sensitivity might be something of a bonus to some, plus circumcised men are less prone to HIV (it is supposed that the tougher skin on the Herman Gelmet is harder for the virus to penetrate).
 
chainsaw_masochist said:
I was advised that to go ahead with such an operation would be life threatening as I would risk losing half my own body weight! :LOL:

You are aware that they remove your fiveskin, not your arms and legs? :LOL:
 
Several posts back Julie wrote this:

It is going to take a massive education initiative regarding sex and relationship education (starting early in life) to empower the young to have the confidence to say no or to abstain. Unfortunately the media needs to take some responsibility for the decline of sexual morals - everthing you see on TV, in magazines, newspapers etc is very sexualised or has some kind of sexual innuendo.
Whats the answer, any comments?

My advice to teenagers (and I've got one) who want to know what sex is all about is absolutely unequivocal. You start in the handwork class. I know I'm arguing with a sexual health expert here but surely that's about as safe as safe sex gets - unless you are incredibly careless and incredibly unlucky at the same time. (Virgin births are rare but not impossible. The one I read about involved a girl who gave her boyfriend an orgasm then started on herself without even bothering to wipe the semen off her hands. Now that's careless and she was unlucky.)

PS: Nothing for the automatic 'swear' word detector this time!
 
Sorry maybe I didn't clarify properly what I meant.

But I'm sure I'll contradict myself even more now.........

I have always found the women to be careful when dealing with their customers rather than their boyfriends/husband - of course they could have been feeding me a line - telling me what they thought I'd like to hear, as many people do with health care professionals!!

The women that come into the clinic again give histories that indicate their risks with customers is negligable - but again this could be a load of old bull!
But I can also appreciate the womens position as it can be very tempting for the them when £100 + above the normal charge is sometimes offered by men for unprotected sex.

But it was research undertaken by my colleague recently (Dec 2004) that put the spanner in the works as it challenged what the women were telling me - whilst we knew that some unprotected sex was going on (of course) this wasn't the same 'story' being given to me at the massage parlour visits - we didn't realise the extent of it. I also should have added that the men researched substantiated their unprotected activity by saying they only ever see the same girl so it must be ok - but they obviously didn't think of who else she was seeing. Some had also visited escorts who only had 1 or 2 other customers on a regular basis and felt it was worth 'the risk'.

All of the work I undertake is with women who are based in massage parlour - the position is very different for street based workers as they are more likely to have a drug habit and would probably be willing to have unprotected sex for just a few extra pounds .

Despite this, I still believe that the women are mostly keeping themselves safe, otherwise infections in this group would be out of control - perhaps the men who sent in their questionnaires were fantasising eh!

It was only since the research in December that I started looking on a forum called punternet, a Country wide forum that is slightly different than this one!! - this website gave me a greater insight into the men who visit massage parlours/book escorts - it is a very interesting and enlightening forum to say the least

The web address is:
www.punternet.com/maxiboard/main.php

It is really worth just a little visit - this is a forum of gentle kittens in comparison!


Julie
 
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