Disgusting depending on your viewpoint

[AdamW]

Oh, about the blood/gay thing, I must say I agree with any steps that can reduce the possibility of infection. You are careful, but not everyone is. I am a big advocate of regular screenings for all, but I am yet to meet anyone else who says "Right, new girlfriend, time to get me willy swabbed and blood checked!" . Thing is, a careless heterosexual male slut is statistically less likely to catch HIV than a careless homosexual male slut.

Evidence suggests that circumcised men are less likely to catch STDs including HIV, than those who are rollneck-equipped. What I'm saying is there are so many factors to take into account, it is just easy to lump all gay men into a bracket and say "Do not admit these people". Perhaps if they could find a way of screening much earlier, they could do it then.

I envy you at not being allowed, giving blood hurts like bu**ery (most tasteless pun ever?)

 

[securespark]

an*l sex, which is predominantly a homosexual activity?

Yes and no. It is, according to sexual practice surveys, quite common in hetero relationships.

chutney ferrets

Vulgarity like this is not necessary. I feel tolerance is not your middle name.

BTW, in view of the above, is that your opinion of all those who indulge in an*l sex, both homo and heterosexual? Or do you just apply that to gay men?

I would be very interested to hear your views.

 

[ninebob]

Also, the easiest way for the HIV virus to be passed from one person to another is through an*l sex

Not true, it's any unprotected any penetrative sex. Gives heterosexuals two main ways to do it, we have just one.

Ignore this comment if I'm overstepping the mark here! But in general with a gay relationship, is it the usual to have (without being crude) a giver and a taker? Quite often wondered if this is the case as I've heard this from people but have never known anyone well enough to ask! But seeing as this is the net!!!

Everyone's different. Some stick to one role, others vary. Entirely personal preference.

OK, last one. Nine, are you the only gay on the forum?

I don't know. Am I?

 

[securespark]

Many people do not see sexuality as clear-cut. You are often not attracted to one sex or the other, but are somewhere in the middle (sounding like Paddy Ashdown, now!!)

I know several folk (of both sexes) that have dabbled in same-sex relationships, then settled for a hetero one.

 

[AdamW]

I know several folk (of both sexes) that have dabbled in same-sex relationships, then settled for a hetero one.

Oh, so that's where my copy of "Le*bian spank inferno" got to

The statistics I recall are that 1 in 3 heterosexual couples have participated in botty-love at least once. However, most of these heterosexual couples either tried it once and didn't try it again, or do it once in a while as a bit of fun. And it would have most likely been a pretty established relationship already.

However, I know for a fact that if I was gay I would want it thrice nightly, even with a guy I had just met. I think this is what they get at with the statistics, and what makes it a greater risk when comparing like lifestyle for like lifestyle.

 

[AdamW]

Why is the word "l*sbian" censored?

I wasn't aware it was offensive to anyone.

Certainly not as offensive as large, follicularly advantaged spheres... or big hairy balls.

 

[securespark]

However, I know for a fact that if I was gay I would want it thrice nightly, even with a guy I had just met.

How about it, honey? Julie's still not up for it after no 3's birth, and I'm a feelin' horny....

 

[mildmanneredjanitor]

Also, the easiest way for the HIV virus to be passed from one person to another is through an*l sex

Not true, it's any unprotected any penetrative sex. Gives heterosexuals two main ways to do it, we have just one.

I was under the impression that the wall of the rectum absorbs things easily, hence why strong painkillers etc are administerred in this manner?

Ignore this comment if I'm overstepping the mark here! But in general with a gay relationship, is it the usual to have (without being crude) a giver and a taker? Quite often wondered if this is the case as I've heard this from people but have never known anyone well enough to ask! But seeing as this is the net!!!

Everyone's different. Some stick to one role, others vary. Entirely personal preference.

That strikes me as very one sided? I take it the reciever isn't left out completely?

OK, last one. Nine, are you the only gay on the forum?

I don't know. Am I?

Well the only 'outie' I guess!

 

[Scoby_Beasley]

chutney ferrets

Vulgarity like this is not necessary. I feel tolerance is not your middle name.


I would be very interested to hear your views.

"tolerance" may not be my middle name, I prefer to think "live and let live" ( to tolerate means to put up with) is. However this does not include the sub-clause "indoctrination". B.T.W. chutney ferret comes from the t.v. prog "Alan B'astard", A hetero, tory is that another contradiction ?

 

[david and julie]

Hi everyone this is Julie the other half of David & Julie - I'm not as arguementative as Dave though!!!!!

I've been interested to read your recent threads - as I have worked for the NHS in the speciality of sexual health for the past 19yrs.

I just have a few comments on some of the issues you have raised (no arguements though!!)

I have worked with many different clients over the years including drug users, gay/bisexual men, men who have sex with men (who class themselves as straight), asylum seekers/refugees, black & ethnic minorities, young people (Brook), and I also visit 15 Manchester massage parlours (brothels) on a regular basis providing a sexual health service for the women who work there.

I feel that no 'group' of people should be denied any assess to health care (or blood transfusion as said in a previous post) in relation to HIV as no one is a greater or lesser 'victim' of this terribe disease. A classic example of this is drug users, many people (including health care professionals) think they are 'scum' - none of these people before they became addicted to injecting Heroin etc ever thought they would have ended up robbing, prostituting etc to maintain their habit - lots of them suffer with feelings of self loathing at what they need to do to survive - personally, I think the dealers who give the drugs free initially to induce the addiction are the 'scum'!!!!

In relation to gay/bisexual men. Of course this is the group who have been found to have the most infections - I am currently involved in a community project with this group (offering testing for all STI's and HIV) and it is my experience that they are mostly not engaging in 'safer' sexual practices - due I think to there being various combination antiretroviral treatments (not cure) available which can provide a false sense of security (especially to the young) that it doesn't really matter if you get HIV as there are tablets available that can 'sort' it.

However, the biggest rise is amongst the heterosexual community in this country - not meaning to be controversial but many asylum seekers and refugees have been found to have HIV and some fight there case to stay here on that basis.

Heterosexuals are just as likely to take a 'chance' when having sex as homosexuals!!

Info re statistics can be found on the health protection agency website and the public health observatory website (sorry can't think of the web address off hand)

To answer someones question earlier - yes lots of heterosexuals engage in anal sex - in fact many of the girls at the brothels tell me that the vast majority of men who visit them want anal sex - they also pressurise the women not to use condoms (hello?)

I'm sure there were a few more things I wanted to comment about but I'm sure you've had enough now!!!

Thanks for reading!

Julie (as in David & Julie)

 

[AdamW]

To answer someones question earlier - yes lots of heterosexuals engage in anal sex - in fact many of the girls at the brothels tell me that the vast majority of men who visit them want anal sex - they also pressurise the women not to use condoms (hello?)

This is something that has surprised me. Now, I am scared stiff of contracting anything. Hence my love of regular screenings. However, in my experience a lot of women are insulted if you use a condom. It seems to be that they see it as "So he must be clean, but doesn't trust me". I know I'm not the only one who finds this, friends of mine have recounted similar stories. Now, I am a serial monogomist, so I have never gone in for the one-night-stand, but it still seems foolhardy for these girls to take my word for it.

I do not doubt that there are men who are stupid about condoms, but it would seem that those of us who insist find that women seem to take that as a certificate of our healthiness! From what female friends have told me, the excuse "They don't make them big enough" is almost exclusively used by men who are, to put it politely, hung like a chipolata. Hell, we've all done the "Spaceman's Helmet" trick at some point. If I can fit one over my cranially-superior bonce, then anyone from an African elephant down can fit one over their willy.

With all the diseases you can get, I sometimes wonder if the "pro-abstinence" people have a point...

I also have to wonder, do people who visit pros enjoy the possibility that their willy will turn green and fall off?!

 

[david and julie]

Adam wrote,

I also have to wonder, do people who visit pros enjoy the possibility that their willy will turn green and fall off?!

Hi Adam Julie here (of David & Julie)
In 2001 I undertook a reasearch project in some of the Manchester massage parlours (brothels).
I was offering a sexual health screening service for the women. They were offered full STI and HIV testing within their working environment. I saw 94 women over a 6 month period. Some of the women during the 6 month project had a repeat 'screens' - at the end of the project I had undertaken 138 'STI/HIV screens' from the 94 women.
I actually found very little pathology - No syphilis, no HIV, no gonorrhoea -the infection that was found was chlamydia (9 cases), which really is quite a low rate when comparing these women with the general female population who attend other testing sites for STI sceeening (GUM clinics, family planning clinics and Brook clinics etc)

I also found that this particular group of women were obsessive about their sexual health as many of them had husband or partners and didn't want to expose themselves to any STI's - although I do accept that the situation is different for 'street based' sex workers.
What really amazes me (and the women) is the amount of men who have wives and partners who offer these women substantial amounts of money to 'do it without' - what is that all about?!!!

In relation to what you said about men using condoms - I think a little bit of psychological bull should be utilised when using condoms so that the woman (or man) feels that they engaging in sexual activity with someone who cares about their sexual health!!!

 

[AdamW]

I also found that this particular group of women were obsessive about their sexual health as many of them had husband or partners and didn't want to expose themselves to any STI's

I am always dumbstruck when I hear (or see on TV) about married people who work in the sex industry! We all need to make ends meet, but I would never want a partner who made her money that way. I would sooner be scraping together money to buy a sliced loaf and a pint of milk for an exclusive partner than drinking champagne in knowledge that I was the primary lover out of a clientel.

I actually found very little pathology

That surprises me! I would have thought that they would be a collection of anything and everything you could catch!

I have received "the phonecall" in the past, the "Hey Adam, I haven't seen you in a frickin' year but you better get checked out anyway cos it turns out my womanhood is a writhing festerpit of disease, oh, and you'll have to explain this to your current girlfriend too, I'm sure she won't mind" phonecall. Coincidentally you receive the call a week after you bump into her in the street and she sees said girlfriend, and the day after BBC2 shows a documentary about Chlamydia, but you can't take the risk.

Of course, when it turns out you were in the clear all along you tell her you tested positive anyway, just to make sure she has to have the swab too!

 

[david and julie]

We all need to make ends meet, but I would never want a partner who made her money that way

Obviously some men know what their wives do but others don't. Some women do it to make ends meet and don't mention it to their partners, either way the women don't want to take any infections home with them.

 

[pipme]

.......... Now, I am scared stiff of contracting anything. Hence my love of regular screenings. ...

Crikey, there is a whole lot to be mischievous with, in those two sentences.
'Scared stiff'
'Love of regular screenings'

Now we know A is true Blue -- all the way through.