Do deterrents deter?

[cantaloup63]

In light of the shooting in Manchester last night and the stabbing in London today, there is the usual focus on the use and usefulness of the death penalty.

 

[joinerjohn]

I personally don't believe deterrents work anymore. Sentencing in courts is a joke, whereby some scrote gets 1 yr inside, knowing that he's going to be out in 6 months. A murdering scrote probably get's 10 yrs knowing he'll only spend about 5 yrs inside. The judges passing sentence know that any sentence automatically has time off. About time they handed down meaningful sentences 10 yrs meaning 10 yrs with no time off whatsoever. Prisons should be harsh environments, where human rights have no place. Hard physical labour should be the order of the day. Basic meals supplied by Asda smart price goods or the stuff most supermarkets chuck out at the end of the week. Make prisons so bad that someone going there would never want to go back.

 

[foxhole]

Deterrents have never worked, used to chop peoples hands off for stealing, still had no shortage of thieves.

 

[cantaloup63]

The thing is though, how many more people might have committed the crime had the deterrent not been in place? And how many of those with their hands chopped off have re-offended? Hence the third option in the poll

 

[masona]

I'm against death penatly

 

[cantaloup63]

I'm against death penatly

With no exception?

 

[merlin50]

if someone is proved 100% to be a bad person then hang them

 

[imamartian]

I personally don't believe deterrents work anymore. Sentencing in courts is a joke, whereby some scrote gets 1 yr inside, knowing that he's going to be out in 6 months. A murdering scrote probably get's 10 yrs knowing he'll only spend about 5 yrs inside. The judges passing sentence know that any sentence automatically has time off. About time they handed down meaningful sentences 10 yrs meaning 10 yrs with no time off whatsoever. Prisons should be harsh environments, where human rights have no place. Hard physical labour should be the order of the day. Basic meals supplied by Asda smart price goods or the stuff most supermarkets chuck out at the end of the week. Make prisons so bad that someone going there would never want to go back.

Add to that the potential for damages if they fall over in a police cell, or if they get bummed severly in jail it'll be against their human rights, or if the weapon used was put in the polythene evidence bag, the whole case is dropped

Sentencing of crims should be a Saturday night tv phone-in, where the Jeremy Kyle herds phone in and decide the fate of the crim, with all proceeds going to the victims and to build more prisons !!!!

 

[joinerjohn]

Add to that the potential for damages if they fall over in a police cell, or if they get bummed severly in jail it'll be against their human rights,

Which is exactly why I said

Prisons should be harsh environments, where human rights have no place.

PS I do like the idea of a Jeremy Kyle phone in for sentencing though.

"For a 5 yr sentence phone 09012345 followed by 5."
"For a ten year sentence phone 09012345 followed by 6."
"For a 15 yr sentence phone 09012345 followed by 7."

(these calls are premium rate and will cost no more than £1.50p)

"For the death penalty phone freephone 0800 12345 followed by the hash button."

 

[masona]

I'm against death penatly

With no exception?

A few years ago I was for the death penalty but now against it whatsoever. It's was BAS on here thats changed my mind, I see if I can find the old topic regarding this

 

[sooey]

Is that the one where he was frothing at the mouth.

For some people, the death penalty is the least they deserve.

 

[PrenticeBoyofDerry]

I think if you intentionally take a life in a murderous act, then you should then forfeit your life automatically.
Then there is very little chance of this offender then re-offending!
I personally don't think sentence are as harsh as they should be, I do believe that there should be some reward for good behaviour, within the prison environment but sentences should fit the crime and a disciplined state within the prison walls should be kept.
Instead of giving criminals X-boxes, TVs their own clothes etc...
They should be made to educate themselves and or be trained for suitable employment for future release. Home comforts should be removed but not their human rights, unless they are not human. Then everything should be forfeited and they should be chained and made eat out of a bowl from the floor.
Of course this will not apply to the ones that should be shot at dawn.

 

[sooey]

That all sounds fair enough to me.

 

[imamartian]

I think if you intentionally take a life in a murderous act, then you should then forfeit your life automatically.
Then there is very little chance of this offender then re-offending!
I personally don't think sentence are as harsh as they should be, I do believe that there should be some reward for good behaviour, within the prison environment but sentences should fit the crime and a disciplined state within the prison walls should be kept.
Instead of giving criminals X-boxes, TVs their own clothes etc...
They should be made to educate themselves and or be trained for suitable employment for future release. Home comforts should be removed but not their human rights, unless they are not human. Then everything should be forfeited and they should be chained and made eat out of a bowl from the floor.
Of course this will not apply to the ones that should be shot at dawn.

I, too, agree with most of that.

However, the one minor/major point you didn't address and that is the impossibility of a 100% certain proof someone did the crime....

Even a full blown confession could conceivably be made up ....

 

[Blasphemous]

Do deterrents deter?

I suppose it depends on the deterrent. If I walk down the street with an Uzi 9mm I'm fairly certain no one (other than plod), would bother me.