I'm sure you'll be happy to explain why to get one over on him.
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Dominic Raab. How long has he got.......
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Having read the report I think he broke the ministerial code rather than what most normal people would think is any actual “bullying” as claimed by the CS. I also think he resigned to save the PM having to sack him as Labour wanted him to do.
I also think the CS can actually make life awkward if they so wish, shilly, shallying over illegal immigrants, delays in the passport office, immigration/security checks at airports etc.
Just my opinion of course, I am not going to get involved in providing any evidence, or define what normal people are or even provide evidence of anything to do with the report, the PM or ex DPM or even the CS. If you want to disagree just read the report and then disagree but you dont need to tell me that you disagree, I am cool about it all.
I also think the CS can actually make life awkward if they so wish, shilly, shallying over illegal immigrants, delays in the passport office, immigration/security checks at airports etc.
Just my opinion of course, I am not going to get involved in providing any evidence, or define what normal people are or even provide evidence of anything to do with the report, the PM or ex DPM or even the CS. If you want to disagree just read the report and then disagree but you dont need to tell me that you disagree, I am cool about it all.
I'm an open book on this one can you be more specific.
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All I can find in it is that he wa a bit intimidating and he could have been more aware that he was intimidating. And that he interrupted.
As for para 168, which starts "168. Most of the media......." has got nothing much in it.
I haven't read every clause. Does it quote the breached part of the Ministerial Code?
As for para 168, which starts "168. Most of the media......." has got nothing much in it.
I haven't read every clause. Does it quote the breached part of the Ministerial Code?
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Ask filly. He made the claim
Behind a pay wall but it tells you all you need to know.
EU stance on Gibraltar talks provokes UK anger
Raab says Brussels’ draft mandate undermines sovereignty and violates terms agreed with Spain
www.ft.com
168. Most of the media reporting related to the investigation has concerned the MoJ. I could not form any reasoned view as to the source or sources within the MoJ of the media reporting. I did not regard it as appropriate to give less weight to all of the evidence in respect of the MoJ Complaints because some unidentifiable individuals, who may or may not also have participated in the investigation, had also chosen to engage with the media on an anonymous basis. However, in view of general concerns arising from such engagement, I have had regard in my findings to the following factors: the potentially prejudicial effect to the DPM of media reporting; the risk that allegations were prompted or embellished by exposure to such reporting or by unwitting influence arising from knowledge of another person’s complaint; and whether and the extent to which the subject-matter of the MoJ Complaints was discussed by individuals making, participating in or supporting the MoJ Complaints (or other Complaints).
169. The significance of the MoJ Group Complaint is that it led to the making of all of the other Complaints. The participants in the MoJ Group Complaint deserve credit for their courage in coming forward. It cannot have been easy for them to do so and their motivation was to stand up for more senior colleagues whose experiences they had observed at one remove. Having interviewed almost all of the individuals closely involved, I find that they are sincere and committed civil servants, with no ulterior agenda. 170. However, the composition and content of the MoJ Group Complaint make it unsuitable as a basis for any findings about the DPM’s conduct. In particular: (1) It was the product of discussions, involving a large number of individuals, over an extended period in February and March 2022. (2) It was drafted by ‘committee’, with multiple contributors. (3) It is focused only to a limited extent on the DPM himself, with references also to Ministers (plural) and other civil servants. (4) It uses the language of a “perverse culture of fear” without a clear explanation of what it is said to mean. I received different explanations from different individuals. (5) It refers to a significant extent to material in relation to effects on colleagues about which none of the interviewees in respect of the MoJ Group Complaint knew anything specific. (6) It made allegations about unreasonable work deadlines which were not persuasively instantiated by any witness. 171. In relation to the MoJ Additional Complaints, I have considered those allegations which are included in the MoJ Additional Complaints themselves separately from those allegations which were raised by witnesses but which do not form part of the MoJ Additional Complaints. Where the latter type of allegation was closely linked to one of the MoJ Additional Complaints, I have considered, and taken into account in my findings below, whether it sheds any light on the presence or absence of a relevant pattern of conduct. If it raised a separate allegation, which was not the subject of an MoJ Additional Complaint, it was not appropriate or necessary to find any facts about it.
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That's about GibraltarBehind a pay wall but it tells you all you need to know.
EU stance on Gibraltar talks provokes UK anger
Raab says Brussels’ draft mandate undermines sovereignty and violates terms agreed with Spain
A consensus on general behaviour rather than an specific thing, then.
[Edit - the Code of C is in Para 175. And he'd been told... ]
I've met worse - I did walk from one of them.
FT report says nothing much more
Dominic Raab resigns as UK deputy prime minister over bullying claims
Rishi Sunak promotes Oliver Dowden and Alex Chalk in limited reshuffle after report upholds two allegations
www.ft.com
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The waters being handed over to the eu.That's about Gibraltar
So since Brexit we've handed northern Ireland over on a plate and now gibralter
Good eh, democracy in action.
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There would undoubtedly have been resignations had he stayed, which makes it all the more strange that he resigns over the bullying, then tours the tv studios to deny he did anything wrong. The report could and should have been much harder hitting.
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Undoubtedly?, as people like to say to me, do you have a link to that?
Kings Counsel is not awarded lightly, read up on the requirements. Yes, lots of fools on here would love for the report to read that he threatened people, was verbally abusive and threw tomatoes in civil servants faces.
The report didn't state those things because they didn't happen. Read the report in full without bias or hatred, it really does find fault on both sides of the complaint, and is quite neutral, upholding two complaints but only in vague terms.
Is Raab a bully? ten years ago no. In this day and age, maybe, borderline given the sensibilities of the sensitive people who inhabit todays workforce.
Personally, I think he should have kept his job, personally, I feel the CS had a vendetta against him and that is at least in part backed up by Tolleys report.
Raab is right on one thing, the bar has been lowered for holding people to account. In the good old days it wasn't a scandal until you hired a hitman to kill your gay lover, faked your own death by drowning or as defence secretary, slept with a prostitute who was also sleeping with a member of Russian security, they were proper scandals.
Raising your voice to a member of the CS and asking them to do their job properly?
**** me.
Goodbye Brexit, bit by shítty bit.
If a customer was persistently aggressive intimidating patronising, refused to listen, went on and on and on, what would the tradesman do. They would walk off the job and probably deck the bloke first. Civil servants don't have that same kind of choice.
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