Energy Cap

[Vinty]

funny money

Has people laughing all the way to the bank.

 

[Notch7]

50 years worth of gas is not to be sniffed at....

Energy Security until we are self sufficient in Wind & Nuclear, and have converted our homes away from gas central heating.

Everyone who objects can buy putins gas, the rest of us can have warm homes at an affordable cost.

You are wrong, there is no evidence that shows fracking is commercially viable in the UK.

50 years of gas, is just throwing dice.

 

[fillyboy]

You are wrong, there is no evidence that shows fracking is commercially viable in the UK.

50 years of gas, is just throwing dice.

If it wasn't thought to be commercially viable it wouldn't have even been explored. Wether it's 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 years needs more research, in the meantime, it's cheap compared to deep sea drilling and cheaper, what's not to like? are you opposed to UK having energy security? would you rather we tether ourselves to whatever clusterf**k the EU comes up with next as an energy policy?

Really?

 

[IT Minion]

People don't like the idea of tiny earthquakes beneath their feet, chemical smells and risks to their drinking water and health.

Fracking has a bad reputation, at least some of which it has earned.

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

If it wasn't thought to be commercially viable it wouldn't have even been explored. Wether it's 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 years needs more research, in the meantime, it's cheap compared to deep sea drilling and cheaper, what's not to like? are you opposed to UK having energy security? would you rather we tether ourselves to whatever clusterf**k the EU comes up with next as an energy policy?

They don't know how many years worth, until it has all been discovered and used. Likewise - They didn't know how long north sea oil would last, initial estimates were 5 years, but the estimate kept increasing as time went on and more discovered.

 

[ajohn]

Fracking has a bad reputation, at least some of which it has earned.

Tik Tok news?

 

[Deleted member 174758]

If it wasn't thought to be commercially viable it wouldn't have even been explored. Wether it's 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 years needs more research, in the meantime, it's cheap compared to deep sea drilling and cheaper, what's not to like? are you opposed to UK having energy security? would you rather we tether ourselves to whatever clusterf**k the EU comes up with next as an energy policy?

If Cameron and his cronies hadn't scrapped the previous (Labour) administration's programme of renewables (especially on-shore) we would by now have been a lot nearer to energy self-sufficiency than we currently are. Instead they threw it all away. Meanwhile Boris the Clown has been bleating about Labour not having started any new nuclear stations (whilst the Tories have started, er, ONE). So if you want to look for those whose energy policies have actually clusterf**ked the UK, look at the benches where sit Cameron, May, Johnson and Truss! 12 wasted years because of a bunch of spivs who are in the pocket of the oil and gas lobby! (and the same people who allowed the closure of our main gas storage reserve four years ago, Rough, leaving the country very vulnerable)

 

[Deleted member 174758]

People don't like the idea of tiny earthquakes beneath their feet, chemical smells and risks to their drinking water and health.

Fracking has a bad reputation, at least some of which it has earned.

In some states in the USA it has affected drinking water quality over huge areas.

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

If Cameron and his cronies hadn't scrapped the previous (Labour) administration's programme of renewables (especially on-shore) we would by now have been a lot nearer to energy self-sufficiency than we currently are. Instead they threw it all away. Meanwhile Boris the Clown has been bleating about Labour not having started any new nuclear stations (whilst the Tories have started, er, ONE). So if you want to look for those whose energy policies have actually clusterf**ked the UK, look at the benches where sit Cameron, May, Johnson and Truss! 12 wasted years because of a bunch of spivs who are in the pocket of the oil and gas lobby! (and the same people who allowed the closure of our main gas storage reserve four years ago, Rough, leaving the country very vulnerable)

Too be fair, it has been ALL political parties to blame for the current energy crisis we are in. It's known as shortermism and it has been a lack of thought for the future, since Thatcher was in power and she closed the mines.

 

[Pat ex]

.... It's known as shortermism and it has been a lack of thought for the future, ...

Maybe the Monarch ought to have more input into political decisions.

 

[Deleted member 174758]

Too be fair, it has been ALL political parties to blame for the current energy crisis we are in. It's known as shortermism and it has been a lack of thought for the future, since Thatcher was in power and she closed the mines.

I wouldn't say that. Gas was Thatcher's policy to screw the miners, THAT was short-term thinking. Renewables was Blair's (and to an extent Major's, before him) solution to the fact that North Sea gas was going to run out at some time - it was supposed to be a long-term solution. Cameron et al threw that away because they were getting bungs from the oil and gas industry. So what makes this an all government problem? As far as I can see it is be very much a Tory creation

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

Renewables was Blair's (and to an extent Major's, before him) solution to the fact that North Sea gas was going to run out at some time - it was supposed to be a long-term solution.

Which it never ever could be, without the gas/coal/oil or nuke to fall back upon, so a really bad idea to rely upon green intermitants.

 

[Tigercubrider]

If we had spent half of what has been spent /blown on nuclear and fossil fuel on renewable storage/ generation we would be leading the world. That was told to me by an actual nuclear scientist.

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

If we had spent half of what has been spent /blown on nuclear and fossil fuel on renewable storage/ generation we would be leading the world. That was told to me by an actual nuclear scientist.

I find that improbable.

 

[Deleted member 18243]

I wouldn't say that. Gas was Thatcher's policy to screw the miners, THAT was short-term thinking. Renewables was Blair's (and to an extent Major's, before him) solution to the fact that North Sea gas was going to run out at some time - it was supposed to be a long-term solution. Cameron et al threw that away because they were getting bungs from the oil and gas industry. So what makes this an all government problem? As far as I can see it is be very much a Tory creation

It was Labour that brought millions of foreigners here to use up all those resources.