EU make offer to reduce 80% of post Brexit checks at NI border

[Vinty]

So you agree with breaking the Good Friday agreement?

The EU doesn't...

Are you one of those who believes that the return of violence to N.I. is a 'price worth paying' for brexit?

This protocol breaks the Belfast agreement as it changes the status of N. I. without the consent of the people who live there, it also violates the act of Union.

 

[JohnD]

N. I. is no longer a member of the EU so why should it be subject to EU regulations and laws.

NI is a part of the UK so it has to abide by the agreement that the UK signed.

Blame UK Prime Buffoon Johnson.

 

[ajohn]

or did he just not give a toss about the consequences

No he was more concerned with announcing that we were out rather than consequences. He said we would be and politically that statement needed to be fact, no delays etc as he was elected on that basis - or was he really. Which you might say is the same as not giving a toss.

He essentially doesn't give a toss other than that continued deal making may sort it out. He essentially is the ERG really and some members of that now have plumb jobs even in the civil service.

The R has always amused me. Stands for research. In real terms they are a right wing group who believe in globalism and free trade irrespective of the consequences. A think tank in other words. Their ideas suite very large corporations. They see the EU as a hindrance more so when they look at trade balances. When it's members visit the USA and this includes their MP's they spend their time talking to similar groups in the USA. Some wonder what will happen now Biden is in - no time at all spent talking to his side of things. As they have used similar ideas to Trump to get their way and also to some extent get elected they must have thought Trump was bound to win again. Seems the same methods have worked in Australia.

 

[JohnD]

It is hard to work out what Boris was thinking when he signed up to this bollux protocol. Did he and Cummings have a plan so brilliant that it was beyond the comprehension of mere mortals or did he just not give a toss about the consequences.

He wanted to be prime minister and knew there were enough dumb Brexers to keep voting for him if he told them the nonsense they wanted to hear.

 

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[Scarlet Pimpernel]

They just need to place their border on the edge of their own territory and not on someone else's territory and there will be no problems.

WAKEY WAKEY!

 

[ellal]

This protocol breaks the Belfast agreement as it changes the status of N. I. without the consent of the people who live there, it also violates the act of Union.

I asked you if you agree with breaking the Good Friday agreement...

Yes or no?

And did you not understand that N.I. voted to stay in the EU?

 

[Notch7]

This protocol breaks the Belfast agreement as it changes the status of N. I. without the consent of the people who live there, it also violates the act of Union.

I agree -so why arent you angry at brexiteers who voted for it?

 

[Notch7]

The EU should site their border on their own territory and not someone else's.

It was the UK govt that stuck the border there.

Brexit has consequences, that border is one of them.
it was the choice brexers made.

Its like buying a house thats cheap because its next to a motorway -no good moaning after you dont like the motorway.

 

[Notch7]

No need for the EU to relax any rules.
They just need to place their border on the edge of their own territory and not on someone else's territory and there will be no problems.

the land border option wasnt practical, you know that.

if we had stayed in the SM and CU there would be no border

 

[fillyboy]

the land border option wasnt practical, you know that.

if we had stayed in the SM and CU there would be no border

Or we could sign up to eu food standards, but that could jeopardise deals with other countries. new Zealand haven't adopted eu food standards but have far easier access to europe than the UK.
I heard a rumour that Biden may guarantee us a trade deal if we sign up to eu food standards.
I gather Boris has taken Frosty down to Cornwall, hopefully to explain what's what to Biden.

 

[ajohn]

I gather Boris has taken Frosty down to Cornwall, hopefully to explain what's what to Biden

Boris talking to Biden is a "little" one sided and not to Boris's side.

heard a rumour that Biden may guarantee us a trade deal if we sign up to eu food standards.

Been mentioned before. Relates to keeping control. If EU changes them still have to comply and no say.

new Zealand haven't adopted eu food standards

They will have on what they send there or maybe same as our intent - not to standards, currently still same as EU - slap a tariff on them hoping that the stuff to our standards still sells. Something that doesn't sound sensible commercially unless tariffs still leave a decent profit for the sender. To achieve that the stuff has to sell.

Our chicken imports are interesting.

 

[Captain Nemesis]

I agree with what you are saying to a degree, but this protocol is never ever going to work and has to be got rid off.

So why did we sign up to it, and why did BJ say that it was a good deal, better than the one his predecessor negotiated?

But in any event - we cant just "get rid" of it. We signed a binding international agreement. Are your standards of personal honesty and trustworthiness, and the standards you would like the UK to measure up to, so low that you think reneging on agreements we sign is OK?

The EU should site their border on their own territory and not someone else's.

Theres a problem with that, because of another international agreement we signed.

 

[Captain Nemesis]

N. I. is no longer a member of the EU so why should it be subject to EU regulations and laws.

Because NI does not want to have a border, and border controls, between it and the EU.

The EU border should be either between N. I. and the RoI

Not allowed.

or better still between the RoI and Europe.

Never going to happen - dont be daft.

It is hard to work out what Boris was thinking when he signed up to this bollux protocol.

No it isnt.

He just wanted to Get Brexit Done. He didnt care about or think about anything except the slogan.

He was voted into office by people who just wanted to Get Brexit Done. They didnt care about or think about anything except the slogan.

Did he and Cummings have a plan so brilliant that it was beyond the comprehension of mere mortals or did he just not give a toss about the consequences.

I doubt he had any awareness of consequences to not give a toss about in the first place. Something shared with everybody wo campaigned for and voted for Leave.

 

[Captain Nemesis]

Blame UK Prime Buffoon Johnson.

Thats not fair.

Also blame everybody who voted for Brexit in the first place, everbody who agitated against a 2nd referendum, everybody who made Johnson leader of the Tory party, and everybody who voted Tory in the election.