EU make offer to reduce 80% of post Brexit checks at NI border

[fillyboy]

You seem to think its OK for N. I. to be cast adrift

He doesn't, and it won't.

 

[JohnD]

'They' dribble with delight and foam at the lips at the merest hint of anything they believe may harm our country

yep, that's Brexers for you.

Will Johnson succeed in breaking up the UK in his attempt to appease the mad Brexers?

 

[Vinty]

if the Brexers had agreed what they wanted, reached a sensible deal, and signed up to it.

Instead of just neglecting NI, signing up any old rubbish that Theresa May had said "no Prime Minister could accept" and then refusing to comply with the agreement they'd signed.

That's Brexers for you.

You seem to think its OK for NI to be cast adrift in Johnson's attempt to satisfy the crazy brexers.

I agree with what you are saying to a degree, but this protocol is never ever going to work and has to be got rid off.
The EU should site their border on their own territory and not someone else's.

 

[transam]

yep, that's Brexers for you.

Will Johnson succeed in breaking up the UK in his attempt to appease the mad Brexers?

well let’s hope so

Soon as this COVID caper gets sorted than Scotland should be able to push for there independance referendum

which they are entitled to have imo all going well they should get a positive result for independance

 

[Captain Nemesis]

The EU can't be trusted as they've proven over and over.

Unlike the UK, of course.

No history of breaking agreements with us, is there.

 

[Captain Nemesis]

Nothing in this Protocol shall prevent the United Kingdom from ensuring unfettered market access for goods moving from Northern Ireland to other parts of the United Kingdom's internal market.

And the current fuss is about goods moving from Northern Ireland to other parts of the United Kingdom's internal market, is it?

 

[ellal]

I agree with what you are saying to a degree, but this protocol is never ever going to work and has to be got rid off.
The EU should site their border on their own territory and not someone else's.

So you agree with breaking the Good Friday agreement?

The EU doesn't...

Are you one of those who believes that the return of violence to N.I. is a 'price worth paying' for brexit?

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Brexit would be a lot more easier if the EU kept out of N. I.

That was what Boris agreed to. He knew the implications but ignored all advice.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

'They' dribble with delight and foam at the lips at the merest hint of anything they believe may harm our country. I think they're going to disappointed again. Expect more anger.

Eire is not part of UK. It is not part of 'your' country. It is in the EU, in their SM and CU.
EU is a legal entity with rules and regulations about imports. Boris knew this when he agreed the NI Protocol.
If EU relax rules for a third country, like UK, they would have to relax rules all round their border to other third countries. It ain't gonna happen.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

And the current fuss is about goods moving from Northern Ireland to other parts of the United Kingdom's internal market, is it?

Filly does like to cloud the issue with irrelevancies.
It's not about a single sausage either, as a Tory politician likes to phrase it.
There's about £8,000,000 worth of chilled sausage meat alone going from GB to NI.
They could freeze it, and it would be fine.
They've only had six months to sort it out, and typically Boris's MO, he's done bu99er all to sort it out.
They've not even started on the infrastructure to process the checks.
A critic would conclude that Boris never intended to honour the agreement.

 

[transam]

I wonder how Biden and the US

would feel if Alaska part of the US

but with no land border with the US

was subject to Canadian law and rules

and sausages made in the US were not able to be imported into Alaska

 

[ajohn]

And the current fuss is about goods moving from Northern Ireland to other parts of the United Kingdom's internal market, is it?

The fact that the problem is actually the other way round seems to have been forgotten - no more UK chicken nuggets --------> NI.

The NI goods ----------------> to UK seems to have been sorted / accepted via senders need the paperwork.

The current problem seems to relate to chilled goods. UK -------> NI maybe frozen too. It's a nice headline area when in practice the same problems must exist on any items sent from the UK to NI. It's good press in other words. Some NI business representative pointed this out recently. All have to have paperwork.

However when everybody is posturing it can be difficult to know what is actually causing the noises. It would seem this one is down to an interim period to allow it to be sorted out via the incredible IT boys as Boris promised. He mentioned it often enough. This hasn't happened. No progress at all so Boris intends to extend the period one sided and the EU is saying no.

So the incredible IT appears. It's still not that simple as trucks may carry a number of different items - each one needs to be dealt with separately. Restocking a super market was given as an example. Restocking anything relates to where the main warehouse is. Amazon are opening at least one other - probably to stop bringing in stuff from the biggest ones in the EU. However it will probably mean that we can not buy some items off them any more as the market for them here isn't big enough to make it worth keeping the stock. This is the sort of thought processes that set main warehouse placements and what they choose to carry no matter what products they handle. UK to NI just need a boat. Takes a bit longer than driving along a motorway but financial costs of warehouse come into it as well also the amount sold in various areas.

Behind all of this no businesses really want paperwork which ever way goods are going. There used to none now it's needed. The controls are international laws. All countries and groups of them that form a club have them and outsiders always have to meet them. End of. This is fact. Remember UK ----> EU. No problem we will use WTO rules. Those are laws too. This makes taking back control a joke. If our stuff is sold there or anywhere else it will need to meet their rules. If we agree to work to their rules fine but we have no longer any influence at all on what those are.

 

[ajohn]

Good press. In reality it's more Brexit propaganda and the media go along with it rather than highlighting the realities for the simple reason it make good news. Sillier it is the better in this particular area.

 

[Vinty]

Eire is not part of UK. It is not part of 'your' country. It is in the EU, in their SM and CU.
EU is a legal entity with rules and regulations about imports. Boris knew this when he agreed the NI Protocol.
If EU relax rules for a third country, like UK, they would have to relax rules all round their border to other third countries. It ain't gonna happen.

N. I. is no longer a member of the EU so why should it be subject to EU regulations and laws.
The EU border should be either between N. I. and the RoI or better still between the RoI and Europe.
It is hard to work out what Boris was thinking when he signed up to this bollux protocol. Did he and Cummings have a plan so brilliant that it was beyond the comprehension of mere mortals or did he just not give a toss about the consequences.

 

[Vinty]

If EU relax rules for a third country, like UK,

No need for the EU to relax any rules.
They just need to place their border on the edge of their own territory and not on someone else's territory and there will be no problems.