Excess Deaths Debate 16th January 2024

[aveatry]

When did you have your 1st injection?

I have not answered because I do not remember and I cannot find my little card thing.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

I have not answered because I do not remember and I cannot find my little card thing.

It might just be important to establish your timeline, just to verify the facts available at the time you realise

 

[denso13]

I proved the point

By quoting a scientific body? Good lad.

What about this bit?

“For adults aged 18 years and over, JCVI considers that the potential benefits of vaccination with Pfizer-BNT162b2 continue to outweigh potential harms."

 

[aveatry]

By quoting a scientific body? Good lad.

What about this bit?

“For adults aged 18 years and over, JCVI considers that the potential benefits of vaccination with Pfizer-BNT162b2 continue to outweigh potential harms."

What about it - the conversation was about vaxing kids, it seems some on here went against the JCVI advice and jabbed their kids anyway and then saying not to vax your kids against those guidelines was akin to a form of abuse. Now that is tinfoil hat territory

 

[denso13]

and then saying not to vax your kids against those guidelines

They didn't say not to. You really have difficulty interpreting things.

"The Pfizer-BioNTech BNT162b2 COVID-19 vaccine has been authorised for use in persons aged 12 years and over in the UK. This follows evidence from a clinical trial where around 1,000 individuals aged 12 to 15 years received 2 doses of the vaccine."

JCVI statement on COVID-19 vaccination of children and young people aged 12 to 17 years: 15 July 2021

www.gov.uk

 

[carmanmemoranda]

What about it - the conversation was about vaxing kids, it seems some on here went against the JCVI advice and jabbed their kids anyway and then saying not to vax your kids against those guidelines was akin to a form of abuse. Now that is tinfoil hat territory

More misinformation.

That's not what is being said, if you understand it.

It's best to stick to actual facts, and supporting information. Whether that is for, or against, any subject

COVID-19 vaccine

NHS information about the COVID-19 vaccine, including what the vaccine helps protect against, who should have it and when, how to get it and side effects.

www.nhs.uk

 

[aveatry]

They didn't say not to. You really have difficulty interpreting things.

"The Pfizer-BioNTech BNT162b2 COVID-19 vaccine has been authorised for use in persons aged 12 years and over in the UK. This follows evidence from a clinical trial where around 1,000 individuals aged 12 to 15 years received 2 doses of the vaccine."

JCVI statement on COVID-19 vaccination of children and young people aged 12 to 17 years: 15 July 2021

www.gov.uk

Yes you conveniently missed the bit that said only for kids with specific underlying health conditions

JCVI advises that children and young people aged 12 years and over with specific underlying health conditions that put them at risk of serious COVID-19, should be offered COVID-19 vaccination.
AND
There are emerging reports from the UK and other countries of rare but serious adverse events, including myocarditis (inflammation of the heart muscle) and pericarditis (inflammation of the membrane around the heart), following the use of Pfizer-BioNTech BNT162b2 and Moderna mRNA-1273 vaccines in younger adults.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Yes you conveniently missed the bit that said only for kids with specific underlying health conditions

JCVI advises that children and young people aged 12 years and over with specific underlying health conditions that put them at risk of serious COVID-19, should be offered COVID-19 vaccination.
AND
There are emerging reports from the UK and other countries of rare but serious adverse events, including myocarditis (inflammation of the heart muscle) and pericarditis (inflammation of the membrane around the heart), following the use of Pfizer-BioNTech BNT162b2 and Moderna mRNA-1273 vaccines in younger adults.

Compared to ?

Think about it?

 

[denso13]

Yes you conveniently missed the bit that said only for kids with specific underlying health conditions

It doesn't say "only", you are just lying now, repeatedly.

What are you really trying to achieve?

 

[carmanmemoranda]

It doesn't say "only", you are just lying now, repeatedly.

What are you really trying to achieve?

Trying, and failing, to justify his antivaxx conspiracy theories.

 

[gas112]

Changes to COVID-19 vaccines for children aged 6 months to 4 years old​

If your child is at increased risk of getting seriously ill from COVID-19, the last date they can get vaccinated is 31 January 2024. Local NHS services, such as the GP surgery, will contact you if your child may be eligible for future COVID-19 vaccinations.

From 1 February 2024, only children who have a severely weakened immune system may be considered for a COVID-19 vaccine. Speak to your child's GP or specialist for advice.

 

[Notch7]

There are emerging reports from the UK and other countries of rare but serious adverse events, including myocarditis (inflammation of the heart muscle) and pericarditis (inflammation of the membrane around the heart), following the use of Pfizer-BioNTech BNT162b2 and Moderna mRNA-1273 vaccines in younger adults

1) you first need to understand the difference between association and causation:
If you vaccinate billions of people around the world, there will be some adverse events in the weeks after

If you gave a custard cream to billions of people around the world, there will be adverse events in the weeks after.

2) then you need to realise covid causes myocarditis, so you need to see how many of those reported had a covid infection recently

3) then you need to compare %risk from vaccine versus %risk from covid

COVID-19 infection poses higher risk for myocarditis than vaccines

The overall risk of myocarditis was higher immediately after being infected with COVID-19 than in the weeks after vaccination for the coronavirus, new research shows.

www.heart.org

 

[denso13]

Trying, and failing, to justify his antivaxx conspiracy theories.

It's just picking and choosing,

Don't trust the science unless it suits your narrative, don't trust the Government but trust what they say when it suits,

 

[Notch7]

Changes to COVID-19 vaccines for children aged 6 months to 4 years old​

If your child is at increased risk of getting seriously ill from COVID-19, the last date they can get vaccinated is 31 January 2024. Local NHS services, such as the GP surgery, will contact you if your child may be eligible for future COVID-19 vaccinations.

From 1 February 2024, only children who have a severely weakened immune system may be considered for a COVID-19 vaccine. Speak to your child's GP or specialist for advice.

seems like good advice

 

[denso13]

Changes to COVID-19 vaccines for children aged 6 months to 4 years old​

If your child is at increased risk of getting seriously ill from COVID-19, the last date they can get vaccinated is 31 January 2024. Local NHS services, such as the GP surgery, will contact you if your child may be eligible for future COVID-19 vaccinations.

From 1 February 2024, only children who have a severely weakened immune system may be considered for a COVID-19 vaccine. Speak to your child's GP or specialist for advice.

Great news.