Excess Deaths Debate 16th January 2024

[Brigadier]

You can't seriously be comparing this to the Spanish flu

I wasn't. You did.

The only people covid had any serious effect where old or week, that is exactly the same as it has ever been.

The Spanish flu: The global impact of the largest influenza pandemic in history

The Spanish flu pandemic had a devastating impact on the global population.

ourworldindata.org

"This data tells us that young people accounted for a large share of the deaths, this made this pandemic especially devastating."

 

[carmanmemoranda]

The weak could be any age.
How many were put on ventilators they shouldn't have been on?

Captain hindsight.

Are you saying no fit and healthy people died, or suffered badly and long term from the virus?

It was an unknown virus. Nobody really knew what to do or how bad it was.

The medics were learning as they went along.

Bet they wish they had asked you for advice

 

[carmanmemoranda]

And you make this assumption on drive by death certificates being the source of evidence?

What evidence do you have access to, that is better?

Going back to saying doctors were lying?

 

[denso13]

And you make this assumption on drive by death certificates being the source of evidence?

Gut feelings? You seriously think doctors weren't doing their best?

 

[denso13]

Now tell me what is the first one that came up when you googled it

Has he gone? Is he still looking?

 

[gant]

Gut feelings? You seriously think doctors weren't doing their best?

To not catch covid? Think they did a brilliant job of not catching covid with this drive by idea.

 

[denso13]

To not catch covid?

On death certificates? What does drive by ones mean?

 

[gant]

What it says on the tin. Frees them up to work in other areas of the NHS instead of having to go into isolation.

 

[IT Minion]

The only people covid had any serious effect where old or week, that is exactly the same as it has ever been.

That's not true. Not even close.

 

[denso13]

What it says on the tin.

They filled out death certificates while driving past the hospital? Erm, ok...

I suppose you have evidence of doctors admitting this?

 

[gant]

Thought it was common knowledge.

 

[denso13]

Thought it was common knowledge.

Mad as a box of frogs...

 

[ajohn]

There was some faulty reporting in care homes at time early on. They came from GP's who didn't want to visit. However the terms used for the reasons for the deaths will have reduced the number of covid deaths not increased them

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Thought it was common knowledge.

Must be some facts available then

 

[gant]

However the terms used for the reasons for the deaths will have reduced the number of covid deaths not increased them

How have you arrived at that conclusion?