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Mugs seem happy to pay fines when they could avoid them. Why not take the easy money...
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London must be full of the "hard of thinking".
On R5L today, a
- dinner lady, who does 1 hr per day and now can't afford to drive to work (how could she possibly afford to, on 1hr per day, before the ULEZ?)
- a bloke who can afford it, but as he does less than 1000 miles per year, thinks its a pee take (does he even need a car, one has to think?)
As Trans would so eloquently put it,
Jeez us wept............
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other polls disagree.
Latest Polling Shows Overwhelming Public Support For LTNs
In London, a new poll found that 58% of respondents supported the introduction of LTNs, while only 17% were opposed to blocking residential streets to rat-running moto...www.forbes.com
Pro-LTN councillors do not suffer at ballot box, research suggests
Voicing support for traffic schemes has no statistically significant effect on re-election chances, study findswww.theguardian.com
Not everyone thinks it is a daft idea.
What is clear from the polls is that people like the sound of them before they are here and not after.
Council will never win on that footing.
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you don't have to pay a fine if someone has thrown paint over the signage.
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Yes. Not all people think it is a daft idea, that is an opinion.
There you go then, sorted.
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The polls are a perfect insight to human nature.
people drive too much, but we don't want the government to force us to change.
people like the sound of the things we are promised, but not the look of the Northern Ireland troubles style road blocks.
who doesn't want cleaner air, less traffic noise etc.
but nobody wants to sit in traffic jams caused by road blocks.
The pandemic has done a great job at delivering the benefits without much cost. pre-pandemic I was 80% office based for the months I worked. Now I can work remotely and can do calls anywhere in the world. I reckon my business mileage has dropped by 80% too.
people drive too much, but we don't want the government to force us to change.
people like the sound of the things we are promised, but not the look of the Northern Ireland troubles style road blocks.
who doesn't want cleaner air, less traffic noise etc.
but nobody wants to sit in traffic jams caused by road blocks.
The pandemic has done a great job at delivering the benefits without much cost. pre-pandemic I was 80% office based for the months I worked. Now I can work remotely and can do calls anywhere in the world. I reckon my business mileage has dropped by 80% too.
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If it is for good reasons, I don't mind.
I wouldn't like that either. But there is no comparison, so again I don't mind.
I fully understand that, for those who suffer health conditions due to exhaust fumes, these changes will be welcome.
However, as usual with our governments, there is a distinct lack of a well thought out, robust strategy around all this environmental stuff that gives the high majority of people a more realistic timeframe to adapt.
However, as usual with our governments, there is a distinct lack of a well thought out, robust strategy around all this environmental stuff that gives the high majority of people a more realistic timeframe to adapt.
Meanwhile, Sir Kier is still 'reflecting' on it.
I suspect that when central government realises that local government are getting the cash, and central government are saving on NHS, and benefits, central goverment wil have a change of heart and look for a way to get their hands on the cash.
You think 2030 is too little time to adapt to the Green economy, demanded by Climate Change?
Let us not forget that UK would have been heavily fined by EU for breaching air quality limits in London, persistently and consistently over ten years. They may still be liable for fines.
www.theguardian.com
The UK would also have been facing heavy penalties for breaching water pollution levels.
Now the government have eased rules and requirements for house builders, relevant to river pullution.
news.sky.com
Will the government fund these new treatments needed, and who really pays?
Britain isn't going down the toilet, it is becoming the toilet.
Another Brexit benefit.
UK has broken air pollution limits for a decade, EU court finds
Levels of nitrogen dioxide, mostly from diesel vehicles, remain illegally high in 75% of urban areas
www.theguardian.com
The UK would also have been facing heavy penalties for breaching water pollution levels.
UK faces fine on EU water breach
The UK faces fines for breaching EU law on water treatment after plants in northern England and in London dumped raw sewage into waterways.
www.bbc.com
Now the government have eased rules and requirements for house builders, relevant to river pullution.
Government relaxes rules on waterway pollution in bid to boost home building
Rules on nutrient pollution have hindered new homes in some areas, according to developers. The government will instead offset the pollution from new developments in a scheme funded by the taxpayer, but the changes have angered environmentalists.
Will the government fund these new treatments needed, and who really pays?
Britain isn't going down the toilet, it is becoming the toilet.
Another Brexit benefit.
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On my way home from walking the dog this morning, I saw first hand the good work that had been done by the anti-ULEZ mob to a camera down the lanes. Keep up the good work lads. 
Brexit again.
You need help!
Of course.
This is what the smug people now laughing at us because their vehicle is compliant do not understand.
They will be hit like the rest of us and then maybe they'll start rebelling.
They're the same as all the himmys who condone child rapists: they only do so because they lack human empathy...
Until it happens to them, maybe.
Why not?
In the relevance to UK now able to ignore the EU limits on pollution to air and water (and human dignity, freedom, democracy, equality, the rule of law”, which I'll come to in a moment) then Brexit has allowed Britain, and the capitalists, that rely on making money by ignoring environmental concerns, at the risk of health concerns to its citizens. Within the EU UK would not have been able to ignore such environmental pollution, or it would continue to be fined for breaching limits.
In regard to Britain ever rejoining, it won't be easy, maybe not even possible under the current disregard for human dignity, freedom, democracy and the rule of law.
While UK breaks international treaties, imprisons asylum seekers on arrival, creates barriers to free and fair elections, the UK will never "respect the common EU values and is committed to promoting them may apply to become a member of the union” because they won't respect the values of the EU. Which is a pre-requisite for joining the EU.
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