Fossil fuel / climate protestors

Their protest clearly made an impact around the world every time they pulled off a stunt, like breaking through the fencing to dance around the top of a missile silo - an event that would've certainly seen them shot down in Russia and imprisoned in the freedom loving USofA.
The right to protest ensured the removal of those missiles.
Anybody who saw the film 'Threads' in '84 will remember how the mood swung behind the protesters at Greenham Common and began increasing demands to remove the missiles. A demand the government eventually caved in to.

Climate Change protesters rely on causing maximum impact to draw attention in a much more cluttered media world where getting headlines is much more difficult unless you're prepared to shock people out of complacency about the impact of climate change on the world around them.
 
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Their protest clearly made an impact around the world every time they pulled off a stunt, like breaking through the fencing to dance around the top of a missile silo - an event that would've certainly seen them shot down in Russia and imprisoned in the freedom loving USofA.
The right to protest ensured the removal of those missiles.
Anybody who saw the film 'Threads' in '84 will remember how the mood swung behind the protesters at Greenham Common and began increasing demands to remove the missiles. A demand the government eventually caved in to.

Climate Change protesters rely on causing maximum impact to draw attention in a much more cluttered media world where getting headlines is much more difficult unless you're prepared to shock people out of complacency about the impact of climate change on the world around them.
Indeed.
The protestors that campaign about climate change are not trying to get people to use a bit less energy, or some other small change (well I would hope not anyway), but rather to remind those in power that the system needs to change. We need to decarbonise our economy as a matter of urgency.
 
Indeed.
The protestors that campaign about climate change are not trying to get people to use a bit less energy, or some other small change (well I would hope not anyway), but rather to remind those in power that the system needs to change. We need to decarbonise our economy as a matter of urgency.

Well set an example and decarbonise your life style may be ?

Good luck
 
Well set an example and decarbonise your life style may be ?

Good luck
complaining about someone's personal carbon footprint is a common error. BP certainly did a good job.
 
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Well set an example and decarbonise your life style may be ?

Good luck
Exactly the attitude that carried us through other trouble like the Blitz. Just worry about yourself and it'll all be fine.
 
The right to protest ensured the removal of those missiles.
Not until there were other ways of delivering them. A bit like the missile count reductions a while ago and along comes multiple warheads in a single missile.

Actually in the case of the sllo there was probably nothing in in it.
 
I was in New York recently. The place is a complete nuthouse. Drivers give you about 0.3 of a second after the lights change to get out of the way or WW3 erupts. My Son said he'd like to see a bunch of protesters gluing themselves to a junction. There wouldn't be much conversation.
 
remind those in power that the system needs to change. We need to decarbonise our economy as a matter of urgency.
But they may not infringe my liberties ( or anyone else's) in doing so,

Either people already know, or people don't agree.

The protests make no more difference than the Greenham women, over the heads of whom, cruise missiles arrived.
I remember (I'm that old) one of the GW on a phone-in to one of Thatcher's top ministers "Where will you be if the nuclear bombs start dropping?". The implication was that the the minister would be cosy in a bunker and the poor people would take the hit.
It was Heseltine or Maude or Pym or someone like that: "That may happen if we do not have a ready nuclear response. In which case I would expect to be dead. Having a suitable, ready response, reduces the likelihood of the eventuality occurring".

It would be a reasonable thing to say that at the moment we want to call a halt on costly emissions reductions. We are a bit-part player in the world, and we're down, to relatively low levels now, and we at war. Plenty above us in the lists are doing much less. Why should we take disproportionately more of the hit?

I saw somewhere our emissions are at 1853 levels. Gosh.
 
Per capita figures, Click the column orders them. UK comes in at about 5.2


However here is another way of looking at it - imported via goods that generate CO2

Eg we produce a few range rovers and import a lot of cars. ;) Forgot the steel for range roves may well be imported.
 
Eventually it will morph into

Eco terrorists ??? Said on the radio this morning that pipe lines in Germany have already been sabotaged by some of these fruit cakes

Think they mentioned explosives were used ???

Similar in France I think ???
 
I was in New York recently. The place is a complete nuthouse. Drivers give you about 0.3 of a second after the lights change to get out of the way or WW3 erupts. My Son said he'd like to see a bunch of protesters gluing themselves to a junction. There wouldn't be much conversation.
A Noo Yawk second is usually timed at the moment a hobo appears with a squeegee to wipe the windscreen of your car at a red light - or for the car behind to start honking his hooter when it turns amber.:D
 
I was in New York recently. The place is a complete nuthouse. Drivers give you about 0.3 of a second after the lights change to get out of the way or WW3 erupts. My Son said he'd like to see a bunch of protesters gluing themselves to a junction. There wouldn't be much conversation.
The US, the worlds greatest environmental polluters - they're not an example we should be admiring or following.
 
But they may not infringe my liberties ( or anyone else's) in doing so,

Either people already know, or people don't agree.
Let me just repeat what you quoted, along with the rest of the paragraph:
"The protestors that campaign about climate change are not trying to get people to use a bit less energy, or some other small change (well I would hope not anyway), but rather to remind those in power that the system needs to change. We need to decarbonise our economy as a matter of urgency."
Let me repeat: They are not raising awareness to the the population, but rather protesting to the powers that be.

I'm reminded of a number of protest movements over the years that have tried different techniques.
Suffragettes: Terrorists who held their campaign back through violence.
Road building protestors in tunnels and trees: Peaceful, and Swampy said something like "Do you think I'd have go this level of awareness if I'd written to my MP?" as he was dragged out.
Fathers4Justice: The founder looked at previous protests, and came to the conclusion that dressing up as superheroes and climbing on top of important bulidings was the way forward.

But this one of those where a definite result is hard to measure, unless you look at how we are doing with regard to our declared aims for net zero. Even then, it isn't enough though. We will almost certainly need to be less than that in the next few decades.

The protests make no more difference than the Greenham women, over the heads of whom, cruise missiles arrived.

I remember (I'm that old) one of the GW on a phone-in to one of Thatcher's top ministers "Where will you be if the nuclear bombs start dropping?". The implication was that the the minister would be cosy in a bunker and the poor people would take the hit.
It was Heseltine or Maude or Pym or someone like that: "That may happen if we do not have a ready nuclear response. In which case I would expect to be dead. Having a suitable, ready response, reduces the likelihood of the eventuality occurring".
Another peaceful protest. We do certainly have less nuclear weapons these days don't we. We may disagree with their aim, but they were peaceful.
It would be a reasonable thing to say that at the moment we want to call a halt on costly emissions reductions. We are a bit-part player in the world, and we're down, to relatively low levels now, and we at war. Plenty above us in the lists are doing much less. Why should we take disproportionately more of the hit?

I saw somewhere our emissions are at 1853 levels. Gosh.
We are not at war, we need more renewables and nuclear power for the long term security of this country.

We are also a fairly big economy, but with a lot of techincal know how. As the first country to industrialise, it is not just fitting, but morally right, that we are there to lead the way to decarbonisation. As a country who buys goods off polluting countries, we should also show the way, and even help where appropriate.


CO2 emissions know no boundaries, and as someone who lives not that high above the sea level, it kind of focusses the mind.
 
Looks like it's going well don't know what they're moaning about. Coming to a town and city near you. 5 mile zoned areas you have to operate in.


A 15 minute neighbourhood is a good way to reduce people's carbon footprint. How well its done is another matter.

In the Netherlands, the carbon footprint per head is lower than many other comparable countries for this reason. Compare this with car infested hellholes in the US, where they sit in traffic jams to pick up groceries.

Althugh the Dutch seem better at joined up thinking, which is where we often fall down on.

We need more cycle paths of course, to help realise these aims.
 
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