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Moz
Brightness
what Regt was he in ..?
what Regt was he in ..?
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In every walk of life there are people who don't play by the rules,
and the army is no exception, not that im condoneing what they did as being right, they should of been more civilized in stead of acting like a pack of wolves.
What gets on my t#ts is the media they build up our troops, put them on a pedestal then the very first chance they shoot them down again
I bet if it had of been the other way round there media would of said nothing.
and the army is no exception, not that im condoneing what they did as being right, they should of been more civilized in stead of acting like a pack of wolves.
What gets on my t#ts is the media they build up our troops, put them on a pedestal then the very first chance they shoot them down again
I bet if it had of been the other way round there media would of said nothing.
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RE and b-i-l (his big bro) just retired from 40 odd years in RA. Big bro has got all sorts of medals for work in Iraq as well as other places.Moz said:
Richardp said:
Yeah and maybe we should also remember who it was who put that bullying dictator there in the first place........
If you want to know if you really believe the actions you see are right, just swop the roles around. Imagine three British troops pulled into the yard by iraqis, beaten as these were. Would that be reasonable or savage behavior? Were the IRA right to pull a couple of Brits out of a Taxi in Belfast and beat them to death for spying?
I have never met anyone involved in a conflict who couldn't find some excuse to explain the barbarity of their own side. To me the question should always be If the others did it would it be reasonable, would it be within the rules of conflict. If the answer is no then your own side shouldn't be doing it. Conflict may be inevitable, barbarity is a choice.
If we only do to others as we would have others do to us, we have some chance of resolving our disputes.
I have never met anyone involved in a conflict who couldn't find some excuse to explain the barbarity of their own side. To me the question should always be If the others did it would it be reasonable, would it be within the rules of conflict. If the answer is no then your own side shouldn't be doing it. Conflict may be inevitable, barbarity is a choice.
If we only do to others as we would have others do to us, we have some chance of resolving our disputes.
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Moz
Brightness
I served with the
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1st Foot And Mouth Regt .
Catterick Cookhouse
Dixy Washer Platoon
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lol only kidding I was a STAB many moons ago .....ask your snoring old man what one of those are ,lol
Slogger
are your lads N/E fusiliers ?
I served with the
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1st Foot And Mouth Regt .
Catterick Cookhouse
Dixy Washer Platoon
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lol only kidding I was a STAB many moons ago .....ask your snoring old man what one of those are ,lol
Slogger
are your lads N/E fusiliers ?
Cork said:
No but then the IRA weren't right to teach little kids to chuck stones at squaddies in the street either were they? Or kneecap people or murder them in cold blood and then get their 'political leaders' like Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness to 'condemn' these actions and also lie through their teeth for them.....
The IRA carried out cowardly actions for years and so did the UDR/UDA - what used to amuse me (for lack of a better word) was, why, if they were so proud of their cause did the IRA always wear black hoods when they fired a volley over one of their members' graves?
Any ideas Cork?
About 100, isn't it?Brightness said:
No, slogger-clone - they are there to provide law and order, and that definition does not include beating up the local civilians.
It's not alright, but we are not at war with Iraq, and Iraqi civilians are not a military enemy. Self defence is one thing - what these guys did is quite another.It seems it's OK for our lads to get battered, abused and blown up but they're not allowed to do anything back
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Moz
9/11 stopped the Iriosh situation stone dead ....
from that day on NO country had freedom fighters (as every cause likes to call their Killers !) just terrorists
+ the good friday agreement an the Brit intel having spies in the IRA command ..helped ..
from that day on NO country had freedom fighters (as every cause likes to call their Killers !) just terrorists
+ the good friday agreement an the Brit intel having spies in the IRA command ..helped ..
It's not alright, but we are not at war with Iraq, and Iraqi civilians are not a military enemy. Self defence is one thing - what these guys did is quite another.[/quote]ban-all-sheds said:No, slogger-clone - they are there to provide law and order, and that definition does not include beating up the local civilians.
It seems it's OK for our lads to get battered, abused and blown up but they're not allowed to do anything back
Oh well excuse me for having the audacity to air my views! I am no ones clone and how do you know what went on out of the camera's view???? Funny but I thought that most of the terrorists were also Iraqi civilians - they don't wander round witha little sign on them saying 'Terrorist' you know!
Slogger said:all 3 of my sons are out of the army now
and i cant tell you how happy i am cos the rules of engagement NOW are a joke
in the good old days there where rules but we knew how to MANAGE them
Slogger, I am just glad that neither of my boys even wanted to join up & considering I was on the verge of also joining when I met and married my hubby this is quite a change of viewpoint.
At the end of the day war is war and you don't wait for someone to shoot first!
Moz said:9/11 stopped the Iriosh situation stone dead ....
from that day on NO country had freedom fighters (as every cause likes to call their Killers !) just terrorists
+ the good friday agreement an the Brit intel having spies in the IRA command ..helped ..
Couldn't agree more - just a shame that the same British govt. decided to free all the IRA from the prisons and then give them apologies and payouts too
It's a bit trite, but not entirely inaccurate, to say that one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. It wasn't that long ago that Americans were openly giving money to the IRA.Moz said:
For a less emotive example, go back half a century. In 1956 you could have read in the papers, more-or-less at the same time, about the freedom fighters in Hungary and the terrorists in Cyprus. (The Russians, BTW, regarded those Hungarian freedom fighters as insurgents, mounted a massive air and land assault on Hungary, and killed 30,000 civilians in Budapest alone. Sound familiar?)
You might or might not have been able to read a great deal about the fact that we and France were dropping bombs on the Egyptians because they had nationalised the Suez Canal.
Not to be taken as a suggestion that Osama Bin Laden should be made a leader anywhere, but..
Eamonn De Valera was leader of Sinn Fein, rebel against the Crown, sentenced to death, later became Prime Minister.
Nelson Mandela - leader of ANC's armed wing, organiser of sabotage attacks, fundraising and paramilitary training. Sentenced to life imprisonment. Later became President and was awarded Order of Merit by HM Queen, and Nobel Peace Prize.
Archbishop Makarios - similar relationship to EOKA as Jerry Adams to IRA, exiled by the British, later became first President of independent Cyprus.
Menachem Begin - "terrorist", leader of "unconventional warfare" attacks against the British, hunted by both the British and the Jewish Agency for Palestine, later became Prime Minister. Also awarded Nobel Peace Prize.
Just trying to point out that things are often not as cut-and-dried as some of you seem to think...
ban-all-sheds said:
Actually, the IRA used to do collections in pubs and other 'places for socialising' - usually places frequented by Irish ex-pats. The other IRA's that Americans gave freely to were actually Independant Retirement Accounts - or private pensions as we call them - they have now been renamed because of this confusion!
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