Get the Tories Out!

[Justin Passing]

Far too many politicians of all colours have only ever done politics, don't understand the real world or what actual work is

I agree, but it didn't stop Liz being a disastrous twát. Suggestions? Government by expert committees?

 

[Deleted member 174758]

Labour is normally well supported by those who are too young to remember the last time they had a pop at running the country.

The "last time they had a go at running the country" we saw growth return after the financial crash - growth which the Tories frittered away, NHS waiting lists were a lot smaller and you could get a GP appointment or see someone at A&E without waiting forever. And some of us are old enough to remember not just that period, but also Major and Thatcher before that, so let's stop being presumptive, shall we?

It usually doesn't end well, but there again they probably couldn't do much worse than the current shower.

There we can agree

I'll be voting for the Reform party next time, not so much because of their policies (which are actually mostly reasonable and balanced), but mainly because the whole corrupted system is due for a really good shake up.

So you think that a party headed by the person whose actions areat least partly responsible for the current **** storm we are in is a good idea? That man (Farage) hasn't got a clue, which is why, despite repeated attempts, he has never managed to get elected to our parliament. Another right wing populist with three word slogans, sound bytes, uncosted proposals (and I note NO attempt to shut down things like offshore tax havens, because we all know the kind of mates an ex-City spiv will have) and a whole rag-bag of mismatched populist policies (yes, I've read the web site). Dream on if you think they are the solution... more like "The Problem v2.0"

Far too many politicians of all colours have only ever done politics, don't understand the real world or what actual work is and only care about getting elected to make money.

You mean like Nigel Farage? Stock broker father, minor public school educated (Dulwiich College), City of London commodity broker until he figured out that politics was less work but more lucrative? Oh yes, definitely someone who understands the real world and what actual work is and doesn't only care about getting elected to make money《sarcasm off》

 

[gant]

Farage is not standing as a candidate.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Farage is not standing as a candidate.

Doesn't make their policies better

 

[Pat ex]

...City of London commodity broker until he figured out that politics was less work but more lucrative? Oh yes, definitely someone who understands the real world and what actual work is and doesn't only care about getting elected to make money《sarcasm off》

And politics is far less risky than stock brokering.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Labour is normally well supported by those who are too young to remember the last time they had a pop at running the country. It usually doesn't end well, but there again they probably couldn't do much worse than the current shower.

My experience is that the tories look after the toffs, labour have abandoned the working class and are now the party of doleys, both of them chase the easily bribed pensioner vote, so nobody represents the interests of those who actually work for a living.

I'll be voting for the Reform party next time, not so much because of their policies (which are actually mostly reasonable and balanced), but mainly because the whole corrupted system is due for a really good shake up.

Far too many politicians of all colours have only ever done politics, don't understand the real world or what actual work is and only care about getting elected to make money.

do you want to highlight any 1 of their policies which isn't just a soundbite? Any 1 you want, you choose it.

I f you are another who is so easily influenced I think I can guess how you voted at the last referendum

 

[^woody^]

The last proper Tory government was Thatcher's.

So the title should be "Get the liberals out".
I'll ask the Mods to edit it anonymously and without explanation.

 

[Justin Passing]

The "last time they had a go at running the country" we saw growth return after the financial crash - growth which the Tories frittered away,

Careful, Blair elected '97. after which we had a decline.....

Which was highlit by Brown's '08 crash.

I'm not labour bashing - it just depends which graph you pick and how you interpret it.

Tories would cover up the bit up to 1998, probably.
It doesn't look obvious to tie growth to party in gov.

Thatcher 79-90 then Major for 6½ years. then Blair Brown

If you pick a different graph such as this ( ends 2016 unfortunately), you can make up all sorts.

I looked up the current 10 year growth rate - bugger all and predicted to fall.

 

[Justin Passing]

I've been lookinf for similar for france - nothin up to date enough that compares.

 

[Notch7]

Labour is normally well supported by those who are too young to remember the last time they had a pop at running the country. It usually doesn't end well

Neither party is great, but it’s not really true to say Labours period in power has historically been bad. Blair period for example saw strong growth, prudent management of the economy and decently funded public services. The reason it didn’t end well is global crisis which can’t be blamed on Labour.

On the negative side we had Iraq war, huge increase in house prices, expansion of PFIs etc.


Labours record on the economy is on a par with Tories, certainly not worse

 

[JohnD]

Conservatives are normally well supported by people too old to care what they do to the country.

 

[Notch7]

I'm not labour bashing - it just depends which graph you pick and how you interpret it

I sometimes wonder whether the economy would do just the same or better if there were no politicians sticking their oar in.


How much of the economy is simply world events and how much is politicians influence.

 

[Notch7]

Conservatives are normally well supported by people too old to care what they do to the country.

Margaret Thatcher had a great idea: allow council tenants to buy their house cheap and turn them into Tories.

I bet the vast majority of Tory voters have a house with little or no mortgage.

 

[transam]

Margaret Thatcher had a great idea: allow council tenants to buy their house cheap and turn them into Tories.

I bet the vast majority of Tory voters have a house with little or no mortgage.

Carried on by labour afaik ?? Don’t recall Blair stopping the right to buy ??

 

[JohnD]

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I've been lookinf for similar for france - nothin up to date enough that compares.

Is it because nothing happened to France in 2010 that damaged the nation?