Hate Crime

[JohnD]

One in five thousand, you say, are ambiguous at birth and need further examination.

You deny that is "very occasionally?"

Obviously you found the question too difficult.

Anyway, it is just a red herring you introduced to try to blur the fact that trans are predominantly just men who say they are women.

Not people suffering a birth abnormality.

 

[Roy Bloom]

I chose the number you quoted.

You chose one of the estimates that I quoted, you chose the lower one obviusly.
I had the intergrity of presenting several estimates. We could take an average of all of them if it would satiate your desire to deny the existence of transwomen.

 

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[Roy Bloom]

Anyway, it is just a red herring you introduced to try to blur the fact that trans are predominantly just men who say they are women.

Please provide some reliable data to support your theory.
Otherwise you know how it goes, "what can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence."

Not people suffering a birth abnormality.

Please provide some reliable data to support your theory.
Otherwise you know how it goes, "what can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence."

 

[Odds]

Please provide some reliable data to support your theory.
Otherwise you know how it goes, "what can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence."


Please provide some reliable data to support your theory.
Otherwise you know how it goes, "what can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence."

Are you using a ChatBot?

 

[Roy Bloom]

Are you using a ChatBot?

I AM A HUMAN.
PLEASE ASK ME A QUESTION >>>>>>>

 

[Odds]

Sounds like a bot to me.
You can't use all this logic to 'prove' trans rights.
It's not a math problem.

 

[Roy Bloom]

Sounds like a bot to me.
You can't use all this logic to 'prove' trans rights.
It's not a math problem.

I'm not trying to 'prove' trans rights.
I'm merely arguing that it's wrong to deny trans their rights based on some ideological objection to transgenders.
It's not maths that I'm applying, except in the odd instances of working out averages, extrapolation, etc.
It's real data that I am presenting to counter the prejudice based on inbred myths.
And there's precius little real world data being presented by those that have an ideological onjection to transgenders.

It used to be the same with homosexuality. It was fashionable to object to homosexuality. But it was invariably males objecting to male homosexuality.
There was precious little objection to female homosexuality, esepecially from men.

p.s I'm only using the occasional typo to alleviate your concerns about me being a chatbot.

 

[Odds]

Who is denying them their rights?
Most people object to sharing public toilets with a member of the opposite sex. Women object to a man identifying as female competing in athletic events because the physiology is markedly different. None of that seems unfair to me.
Why is that a problem for you?

 

[Dork Lard]

. . . We could take an average of all of them if it would satiate your desire to deny the existence of transwomen.

There you go again, using your cognitive dissonance to misinterpret what folk actually think.

I don't for one minute think that comrade JohnD'ski has any desire to deny the existence of trans women, I don't think that the majority of folk do. What we do think is that certain boundaries have to be clear & not lost in the misinterpretations & alternative realities of a very small amount of people.

If I see a man in any of my wife/daughter/granddaughter's safe space's then there's going to positive & affirmative action.

 

[Roy Bloom]

Who is denying them their rights?

The one wanting to exclude women (but there's no objection to transmen) from uisng single gender spaces.
If a transwomen feel more comfortable using a women's only space, in preference to being forced to share a toilet with other men, then they should have that right.

Most people object to sharing public toilets with a member of the opposite sex.

The women's toilets do not have to share a toilet. There are separate cubicles. The uni-sex cubicles (and many others) have floor to ceiling partitions

Women object to a man identifying as female competing in athletic events because the physiology is markedly different. None of that seems unfair to me.
Why is that a problem for you?

In sport, if there is an open class for all to enter, it's not a problem.
But sport is supposed to be about inclusivity. As soon as you start excluding some people from sport, it's lost its rasion d'etre.

 

[Odds]

If a transwomen feel more comfortable using a women's only space, in preference to being forced to share a toilet with other men, then they should have that right.

Why should they have the right at the expense of a woman wishing to use the facilities?

The women's toilets do not have to share a toilet. There are separate cubicles. The uni-sex cubicles (and many others) have floor to ceiling partitions

But the prescence of a man wearing women's clothing will still be the issue.

In sport, if there is an open class for all to enter, it's not a problem.
But sport is supposed to be about inclusivity. As soon as you start excluding some people from sport, it's lost its rasion d'etre.

Nonsense.

 

[Dork Lard]

The one wanting to exclude women (but there's no objection to transmen) from uisng single gender spaces.
If a transwomen feel more comfortable using a women's only space, in preference to being forced to share a toilet with other men, then they should have that right.

Please define a clear boundary as to what exactly constitutes a trans woman.

Until you do then the rest of us will continue to object to MEN using WOMENS safe spaces.

 

[Roy Bloom]

I don't for one minute think that comrade JohnD'ski has any desire to deny the existence of trans women,

Hence his persistent and vigorous use of pointless slogans.

If I see a man in any of my wife/daughter/granddaughter's safe space's then there's going to positive & affirmative action.

If they're transwomen, you want to deny them access to a safe space also.
But you're not bothered about transmen, you appear to be perfectly content to allow them to use whatever toilet they choose.
Double standards, what?

What if that 'man' that you violently assaulted turned out to be a transman, without a GRC.
And you find yourself being charged with a violent assault of a woman?
See the dichotomy?

 

[Dork Lard]

Hence his persistent and vigorous use of pointless slogans.


If they're transwomen, you want to deny them access to a safe space also.
But you're not bothered about transmen, you appear to be perfectly content to allow them to use whatever toilet they choose.
Double standards, what?

What if that 'man' that you violently assaulted turned out to be a transman, without a GRC.
And you find yourself being charged with a violent assault of a woman?
See the dichotomy?

You really have lost the plot haven't you.