How long have private diesels got left?

[JohnD]

I assume not much has changed

Hmmmm, "assume," eh?

U ass.

https://www.ft.com/content/ed9699e0-6c59-11e9-a9a5-351eeaef6d84

To nobody's surprise, Trump's administration is dragging its feet.

 

[fillyboy]

Not so much too many cars, as too many people. UK population expected to grow by another 3 million in 10 years.

I don't know much about electric cars, but how do people who live in flats or houses without drives charge their cars? What happens when everyone gets home from work at 6pm and plugs their cars in? Does The UK have the spare capacity to charge millions of electric cars?

If Greta Thundberg gets her way nobody will have a job and we'll all be living in caves foraging food from Motmans allotment.

 

[fillyboy]

Hmmmm, "assume," eh?

U ass.

Good Lord John, there are indeed new low sulphur rules coming into effect next year.

https://www.hellenicshippingnews.co...ulations-change-the-entire-shipping-industry/

But if there's any truth in the link I posted, that means something like between 800,000 and 1,000,000 will have died from maritime pollution by 2020 when the cleaner fuel rules come into force.

 

[ellal]

Not so much too many cars, as too many people. UK population expected to grow by another 3 million in 10 years.

I don't know much about electric cars, but how do people who live in flats or houses without drives charge their cars? What happens when everyone gets home from work at 6pm and plugs their cars in? Does The UK have the spare capacity to charge millions of electric cars?

It's all very well for Scandinavian countries to take the lead (no pun intended), but they on the whole have the space, greener energy reserves, political will, and consequently a different public attitude.

But the practicalities of changing over to electric cars in the UK (and most other countries) do seem to provide a huge number of hurdles at the moment.

Although the claimed 'fast charge breakthrough' could end up solving much of the time problem, it wouldn't address the additional generating power required problem.

I have a feeling that ambitious targets will be slowly extended rather than having the country grind to a halt!

Although we could of course take Boris at his word that we are on the 'verge of limitless fusion power'

 

[motorbiking]

I suspect the deadline is to encourage manufacturers. It will probably be extended and extended.

 

[bernardgreen]

Although we could of course take Boris at his word

Or believe the post from WarmSoks HERE

 

[Ryler]

Have a van load of tools and regularly haul a few ton behind it.
Electric vans will never happen. Unless you are considering driving about in an empty tin because diesel cars got banned first.
A few horses would haul more.

 

[motorbiking]

Electric trucks make more sense than cars. Just less demand for them.

 

[Bodd]

It's tough. I have a 14 plate Movano Auto. Do I sell now and get Some £££££s for it or drive until it dies.

Don't see many options new at the moment. Mainly all diesel

 

[IT Minion]

In five years you'll be paying a premium to buy a petrol car instead of Electric.

At that point if you really need a gas mobile because, well I'm not sure why, but because, then go petrol. There aren't many electric work vans about at the moment but that's probably because the margins on them aren't as fat as on Porches.

Second hand diesels are going to depreciate like a rock as the tax on them and the restrictions will both go up.

For those without a driveway, once everyone else catches up with where Tesla was three years ago (100kw is decent but it's depressing how many current cars can't do that, the Model 3 and Porches can do up to about 250kw), you'll be able to charge fast enough at a fast charger that not having your own overnight charger is a pain rather than a deal breaker.

 

[IT Minion]

On the work van and towing question, EVs are great for hauling lots of weight. But it does drain your battery very very fast. That means lots of time charging and more stops. Or a giant battery, which costs a lot of money, with more time charging. Someone towed a caravan with a Model X and posted a blog of how it went if anyone cares.

I have no idea how many miles you'd need to do per day for a works van, but given the rate battery prices are falling, and how much cheaper they are to run, EVs will probably start making sense fairly soon.

 

[Ryler]

EVs are great for hauling lots of weight. But it does drain your battery very very fast.

Useless in other words.

 

[IT Minion]

Useless in other words.

Depends, if you want to take your caravan from the SE up to Scotland you're going to be visiting every service station along the way. Towing roughly halves your range.

If you need to drag a trailer around 100miles or so a day then current kit can handle that without having to recharge away from wherever it lives at night. That's ignoring the better end of the market like the Tesla's that can do 370 miles or so on a charge.

Then again my main encounters with trailers are caravans holding up traffic, which EVs would fix as they're so much more powerful.

 

[Nige F]

But, diesel is the devil's juice, and is becoming more and more expensive to run (tax, emission zones, etc). Hence, less attractive, and less practical.

Where's it going to end up, and when?

Well if it goes in 20/25 years I'll be alright - the crem. is only 3 miles up the road so it could be electric hearse, horse and cart or rickshaw.

 

[EFLImpudence]

which EVs would fix as they're so much more powerful.

Less powerful ones aren't.