ICJ ruling orders Israel to....

[Vinty]

Be that as it may

But there is more to
This than meets the eye

Many MPs fear fear for there safety and the safety of there family members the threat level against MPs had gone up
Significantly since this Gaza caper kicked off in particular against Labour MPs

If MPs allow their actions to be dictated by fear and not principle, then they should resign.
The IRA killed plenty of Tory and Unionist politicians, it seems that it isn't only the people in Israel and Gaza who are living in fear.
This conflict is now damaging democracy in the UK, politicians are now in fear of muslim nutters or the Israel lobby, who, if they consider you a threat to Israel, will destroy your career by smears and lies in the media.

 

[transam]

Sorry I didn't mention that - carried away by the eventual events. He was very clear about that but very few words, no mention of death threats.

C4 interviewed a senior Tory, I tend to forget the name of the older balding ones. He said that the SNP should have been voted on first and the speaker chose Labour. It was the SNP's turn ???? Pass. It seems the opposition's should be read and voted on first.

Behind this is the fact that Starmer may have faced a revolt if they didn't have a suitable bill. Some would have voted for the SNP one against the whip leading to all sorts of problems. So a feeling gets expressed that it was all to Labour's advantage.

Another take on the caper similar to your post is that it was the SNP up to mischief ??

Knowing full well that labour would have had issues / problems with said vote

And labour are the biggest threat to the SNP in any forth coming election

 

[transam]

If MPs allow their actions to be dictated by fear and not principle, then they should resign.
The IRA killed plenty of Tory and Unionist politicians, it seems that it isn't only the people in Israel and Gaza who are living in fear.
This conflict is now damaging democracy in the UK, politicians are now in fear of muslim nutters or the Israel lobby, who, if they consider you a threat to Israel, will destroy your career by smears and lies in the media.

Tis all very well having principles but the safety of your family members should be
Considered ???
As an extreme example of principles
Nalvany returned to Russia on a principle may be ??

Bhutto to Pakistan ??

Agree with your comments about
Muslim nutters / fruit cakes and Isreali fruit cakes

 

[ajohn]

The Hague Court - strange things have been similar in the past

Resolution 181 as a legal basis for Palestinian statehood​

In 1988, the Palestine Liberation Organization published the Palestinian Declaration of Independence relying on Resolution 181, arguing that the resolution continues to provide international legitimacy for the right of the Palestinian people to sovereignty and national independence.[169] A number of scholars have written in support of this view.[170][171][172]
A General Assembly request for an advisory opinion, Resolution ES-10/14 (2004), specifically cited resolution 181(II) as a "relevant resolution", and asked the International Court of Justice (ICJ) what are the legal consequences of the relevant Security Council and General Assembly resolutions. Judge Abdul Koroma explained the majority opinion: "The Court has also held that the right of self-determination as an established and recognized right under international law applies to the territory and to the Palestinian people. Accordingly, the exercise of such right entitles the Palestinian people to a State of their own as originally envisaged in resolution 181 (II) and subsequently confirmed."[173] In response, Prof. Paul De Waart said that the Court put the legality of the 1922 League of Nations Palestine Mandate and the 1947 UN Plan of Partition beyond doubt once and for all

United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Now the security council really took notice of this didn't they. Fact is they had different ideas as they probably do now. I've now heard the word deradicalization being mentioned.

 

[ajohn]

I missed a lot of the UK's submission to the court. Too much really. Just caught the lady, Seems there were 2 involved. Only comment on the 1st one was from a pundit - seems this one extolled the virtues of the occupation - pundit, you must be kidding.

The lady. Just a few comments. The bilateral aspect, nothing to do with the court etc, a ruling would undermine the negotiations. And then an interesting one - land swap. Interesting as it appears Israel settlements like to be on fertile land.

One thing that struck me on the submissions I have heard is that lots of comments do not relate to what the action is about. The judges as all do will rule on the law. As they have with the ISIS lady who wants to return to the UK. All sorts of factors mentioned but the no return aspect ruled purely on the basis of the law as the judge mentions at the end of his submission.

 

[Odds]

Turkey has joined a large number of countries that have condemned Israel’s decades-long occupation of Palestinian territories at the International Court of Justice (ICJ). The Deputy Foreign Minister Ahmet Yildiz was the first representative to speak on the last day of the hearings on Monday, capping a weeklong event that saw 52 countries and several international organisations testify to Israel’s occupation of Palestine. He said the long-running conflict could have been settled by now if international and human rights laws were upheld by Israel and its Western allies, and emphasised how the United Nations Security Council has failed to protect the unalienable rights of the Palestinians.

Al Jazeera.com

They emphasised the Temple Mount should be administered by Jordan in agreement with a long standing principle agreed before the state of Israel was created in 1948.

 

[JohnD]

As Ben-Gurion said, "I wouldn't sign it."

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"“If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?”

 

[Odds]

Nicaragua has sued Germany at the International Court of Justice (ICJ) for funding Israel and cutting aid to the UN Palestinian refugee agency (UNRWA), the court announced on Friday. The Latin American country accused Berlin of violating international law in its continued funding for Tel Aviv and asked the ICJ to order emergency measures that would force Germany to cease military aid to Israel, and restart funding to the UNRWA.

Al Jazeera

When the sh!t hits the fan like this nobody can avoid it.

 

[JohnD]

It's unusual to see the assumptions and beliefs of the world's rulers challenged successfully.

They will follow the money.

 

[fillyboy]

Nicaragua has sued Germany at the International Court of Justice (ICJ) for funding Israel and cutting aid to the UN Palestinian refugee agency (UNRWA), the court announced on Friday. The Latin American country accused Berlin of violating international law in its continued funding for Tel Aviv and asked the ICJ to order emergency measures that would force Germany to cease military aid to Israel, and restart funding to the UNRWA.

Is this a new Monty Python sketch?

 

[Odds]

Is this a new Monty Python sketch?

I think not.
Germany will tie itself in a knot to avoid even the smallest accusation of anti-semitism.

 

[JohnD]

Is this a new Monty Python sketch?

Genocide and starvation induce humour in a racist like filly.

 

[JohnD]

Luckily, other opinions exist.

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[ajohn]

Is this a new Monty Python sketch?

Don't thinks so as Cleese doesn't figure. Pity really as he would be pretty good at putting over an overview.

 

[Odds]

Three former supreme court justices, including the court’s former president Lady Hale, are among more than 600 lawyers, academics and retired senior judges warning that the UK government is breaching international law by continuing to arm Israel. In a letter to the prime minister, the signatories, who also include former court of appeal judges and more than 60 KCs, say that the present situation in Gaza is “catastrophic” and that given the international court of justice (ICJ) finding that there is a plausible risk of genocide being committed, the UK is legally obliged to act to prevent it.

The 17-page letter, which also amounts to a legal opinion, was sent on Wednesday evening and says: “While we welcome the increasingly robust calls by your government for a cessation of fighting and the unobstructed entry to Gaza of humanitarian assistance, simultaneously to continue (to take two striking examples) the sale of weapons and weapons systems to Israel and to maintain threats of suspending UK aid to Unwra falls significantly short of your government’s obligations under international law.”

The UK government has refused to publish its own legal advice on the matter but a leaked recording suggests its own lawyers have advised that Israel has breached international humanitarian law in Gaza.

The Garundia

No need for a doctor's opinion on this matter: Israel is clearly in violation of International Law and the UK is complicit in allowing the humanitarian disaster in Gaza. Hard to believe Lord Cameron of Brexitannia is talking sense about an arms embargo but we live in interesting times.