Installing double socket in wall powered by plug
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N0 Wocky1. That's not what it means.Does that mean we cannot put a 13a power socket on a 1mm lighting circuit
Does that mean we cannot put a 13a power socket on a 1mm lighting circuit
I suppose that may depend upon what loads one intends to apply to the socket, given that the latest edition of the regs says that " ... 'lighting' circuits may supply 'small items of current-using equipment, such as a bathroom extractor fan') "
If one installed to socket in a loft and intended that vacuum cleaners would be plugged into it, you're probably right that it wouldn't be allowed (by virtue of cable CSA, quite apart from the OPD rating)!
However, 'to be serious', the absence of a definition of 'power circuit' does inevitably lead to some uncertainties.
Kind Regards, John
But EU has limited power of vacs to 800W so perfectly ok for a 5/6A circuit
I suppose that may depend upon what loads one intends to apply to the socket, given that the latest edition of the regs says that " ... 'lighting' circuits may supply 'small items of current-using equipment, such as a bathroom extractor fan') "
If one installed to socket in a loft and intended that vacuum cleaners would be plugged into it, you're probably right that it wouldn't be allowed (by virtue of cable CSA, quite apart from the OPD rating)!
However, 'to be serious', the absence of a definition of 'power circuit' does inevitably lead to some uncertainties.
Kind Regards, John
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What about the UK (rather than those foreign places) - have they also "limited power of vacs", I wonder?But EU has limited power of vacs to 800W so perfectly ok for a 5/6A circuit
Kind Regards, John
This should be protected by a 3A fuse in a SFCU.
Quite possibly, but that doesn't have any bearing on what the regulations say about minimum cable sizes - and, in particular, does not mean that 0.5 mm² cable (which, in terms of current-carrying capacity, would be adequate for 3A), even if flexible, would be compliant with the regulation we are talking about.
Kind Regards, John
We're certainly supposed to have done so, that's why CPC sold off 200 1200W Henry's at a very silly price.
It is bad practice to put a 13 amp socket on any lighting circuit.Does that mean we cannot put a 13a power socket on a 1mm lighting circuit
Wait for it...
So how else is one supposed to cope with:
" ... 'lighting' circuits may supply 'small items of current-using equipment ..."
Which appears in the regs?
By using small plugs and sockets such as BS546 2 amp or 5 amp. Simples!
Unfortunately too many manufacturers make stuff with a 13amp wall wart nowadays, which makes it difficult.
Not difficult for a sparks to put a 13 amp socket on the existing ring or power radial. Even a DIYer could do it.
I agree, but there will be instances where such an appliance needs to be on the lighting circuit, if it is to be controlled from a light switch or something.
Time and money restraints will often affect someone's judgement in fitting a 13amp socket on a lighting circuit for something awkward if someone can get away with it.
Time and money restraints will often affect someone's judgement in fitting a 13amp socket on a lighting circuit for something awkward if someone can get away with it.
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