Israel uses starvation as a weapon of war, say Israeli sources.

[Mottie]

"Like Brexit, it’s done"

31 May 2023

And I keep saying that with even a tenth of the frequency that JohnD says "Mottie doesn’t care"?

 

[motorbiking]

So you are citing Himmie as a reliable source to prove your point……

The whole point is that Dr Miller came up with his own definition in order to stay within the law, Himmie has his, which makes them protected and JohnD jumps around making out the law doesn't say what the law says. I literally copied and pasted the words from sec 17 and 29A of the public order act.

No they don't

You will not find that "definition of a race"

You are, deliberately, or through ignorance or stupidity, misrepresenting the definition of things that can be considered to be "racial hatred"

It includes "colour, race, nationality (including citizenship) or ethnic or national origins"

It does not include a political movement dedicated to colonialism, invasion, genocide and racial oppression.

So it does not include Zionism.

According to Himmy post 45 and liked by Odds, so I assume he agrees.

Zionism is a religious movement that is not restricted to one ethnicity.

here you go:

Public Order Act 1986

An Act to abolish the common law offences of riot, rout, unlawful assembly and affray and certain statutory offences relating to public order; to create new offences relating to public order; to control public processions and assemblies; to control the stirring up of racial hatred; to provide...

www.legislation.gov.uk

Public Order Act 1986

An Act to abolish the common law offences of riot, rout, unlawful assembly and affray and certain statutory offences relating to public order; to create new offences relating to public order; to control public processions and assemblies; to control the stirring up of racial hatred; to provide...

www.legislation.gov.uk

 

[ajohn]

Funny how Filly pretends to forget the tens of thousands of atrocities committed by Israel for 70 years.

More Filly can't get his head around a colonial world and what went on. In some ways Israel is the only one left other than some where the indigenous population still have problems such as Canada etc.

Mau Mau might be suitable uprising to look at. Kenya but take your pick on a lot of the empire and toss in France's as well.

 

[Odds]

That’s nothing like the example I gave you. Quoting facts is different from JohnD's three word slogan.

same difference. Keep bangin' the rocks together.

 

[Odds]

The whole point is that Dr Miller came up with his own definition in order to stay within the law, Himmie has his, which makes them protected and JohnD jumps around making out the law doesn't say what the law says. I literally copied and pasted the words from sec 17 and 29A of the public order act.


According to Himmy post 45 and liked by Odds, so I assume he agrees.


here you go:

Public Order Act 1986

An Act to abolish the common law offences of riot, rout, unlawful assembly and affray and certain statutory offences relating to public order; to create new offences relating to public order; to control public processions and assemblies; to control the stirring up of racial hatred; to provide...

www.legislation.gov.uk

Public Order Act 1986

An Act to abolish the common law offences of riot, rout, unlawful assembly and affray and certain statutory offences relating to public order; to create new offences relating to public order; to control public processions and assemblies; to control the stirring up of racial hatred; to provide...

www.legislation.gov.uk

Zionism is, as already stated, a Nationalist movement co-opted by religious zealots in order to secure the land of Israel for the Jewish people - so far, so good, but they didn't know when to stop, according to the 1967 borders and continue illegal settlements in contrary to International law.

 

[JohnD]

they meet the definition of a race, in the public order act,

Please copy and paste the sentence that you think says that,

 

[Collectors]

In your opinion

Seems to work well for the Arab/Muslims community's as well

 

[motorbiking]

Please copy and paste the sentence that you think says that,

Post 92 has the definition according to Himmy. He claims they are a religious movement, odds agrees and further refers to them as religious zealots. Based on those definitions s29a applies. You will see the links to sec 17 and 29a. You will see the links go to the actual statute. Not the guardian, not Facebook but the actual law. Click it, read it. It’s not even a paragraph.

Miller carefully defined his version of Zionism to avoid crossing the line.

 

[Odds]

Post 92 has the definition according to Himmy. He claims they are a religious movement, odds agrees and further refers to them as religious zealots. Based on those definitions s29a applies. You will see the links to sec 17 and 29a. You will see the links go to the actual statute. Not the guardian, not Facebook but the actual law. Click if read it. It’s not even a paragraph.

Miller carefully defined his version of Zionism to avoid crossing the line.

you need to re-read my quote Cap'n Codeye. Scrape the barnacles off your specs.

 

[motorbiking]

I’d like to see wriggly odds define “religious zealots” as anything other than a “group of persons defined by reference to religious belief”

 

[T&G]

According to Himmy post 45 and liked by Odds, so I assume he agrees.


here you go:

Public Order Act 1986

An Act to abolish the common law offences of riot, rout, unlawful assembly and affray and certain statutory offences relating to public order; to create new offences relating to public order; to control public processions and assemblies; to control the stirring up of racial hatred; to provide...

www.legislation.gov.uk

Public Order Act 1986

An Act to abolish the common law offences of riot, rout, unlawful assembly and affray and certain statutory offences relating to public order; to create new offences relating to public order; to control public processions and assemblies; to control the stirring up of racial hatred; to provide...

www.legislation.gov.uk

If you are referring to me, then claiming Zionism is a protected characteristic would be like claiming that membership of the KKK is a protected membership.
Both organisations limit their membership to a select group. Both organisations want to dominate others. Both organisations are rooted in a radical interpretation of a religion. Both organisations want to expel those that they consider are not indigenous.

The Public Order Act does not infer protected characteristics on minority organisations. it merely defines what is considered to be racial Hatred offences.

Meaning of “racial hatred”.​

In this Part “racial hatred” means hatred against a group of persons F1. . . defined by reference to colour, race, nationality (including citizenship) or ethnic or national origins.

Zionists are a subset of a race, nationality or ethnicity, based on their political ambitions and interpretation of a base religion.
That aspiration is in contravention of the UN Charter, and a self-anointed extension of the UN Resolution 181, That Resolution never had the weight of the Security Council authority.
It would be like ascribing membership of a political party, or membership of a minority off-shoot of a religion, which preaches the annihilation of others, as a protected characteristic, protected under the Act, which is palpable nonsense.
Zionists main objective is the ethnic cleansing of Arabs, from the whole of Palestine. It is now the prime ideology of the current Israeli government.

Zionists wanted to create a Jewish state in Palestine with as much land, as many Jews, and as few Palestinian Arabs as possible. Following the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948, Zionism became Israel's national or state ideology.

Therefore Zionism would be in stark contravention of the UK's Public Order Act.
Therefore it cannot possibly have its own protection under the ACT.

 

[T&G]

Post 92 has the definition according to Himmy. He claims they are a religious movement, odds agrees and further refers to them as religious zealots. Based on those definitions s29a applies. You will see the links to sec 17 and 29a. You will see the links go to the actual statute. Not the guardian, not Facebook but the actual law. Click it, read it. It’s not even a paragraph.

Miller carefully defined his version of Zionism to avoid crossing the line.

If you are referring to me, and I can understand why you wish to use a substituted name for me, because you have been proven to be a bull ****ter on the tax avoidance when buying a boat issue, but I would expect a little civil respect, despite your embarrassment.
If you cannot manage that degree of civility, and If you persist in assigning some other name to me, I will reciprocate.

To deal with the issue of Zionism, and i also appreciate why you would prefer to reduce the discussion to a round of personal insults,
Zionism is a political movement based on the radical interpretation of a base religion.
Its stated aim is the ethnic cleansing of Arabs from the whole of the Levant.
To claim that its membership is protected under the Public Order Act is to liken the UK's National Front, the BNP, or similar movements, as having protected status.

One of the earliest examples of fascism in the UK can be found as early as 1923 with the formation of British Fascisti by Rotha Lintorn-Orman.[1][2] It went on to acquire more explicitly racial connotations, being dominated in the 1960s and 1970s by self-proclaimed white nationalist organisations that opposed non-white and Asian immigration. The idea stems from belief of white supremacy, the belief that white people are superior to all other races and should therefore dominate society.[3] Examples of such groups in the UK are the National Front (NF), the British Movement (BM) and British National Party (BNP), or the British Union of Fascists (BUF).

 

[motorbiking]

Two posts wriggling out of your definition himmy?

The moment you define them as a religious group - you hang yourself.

"Zionism is a religious movement that is not restricted to one ethnicity."

Is what you said..

the below - is just swerving.

If you are referring to me, and I can understand why you wish to use a substituted name for me, because you have been proven to be a bull ****ter on the tax avoidance when buying a boat issue, but I would expect a little civil respect, despite your embarrassment.
If you cannot manage that degree of civility, and If you persist in assigning some other name to me, I will reciprocate.

To deal with the issue of Zionism, and i also appreciate why you would prefer to reduce the discussion to a round of personal insults,
Zionism is a political movement based on the radical interpretation of a base religion.
Its stated aim is the ethnic cleansing of Arabs from the whole of the Levant.
To claim that its membership is protected under the Public Order Act is to liken the UK's National Front, the BNP, or similar movements, as having protected status.

If you are referring to me, then claiming Zionism is a protected characteristic would be like claiming that membership of the KKK is a protected membership.
Both organisations limit their membership to a select group. Both organisations want to dominate others. Both organisations are rooted in a radical interpretation of a religion. Both organisations want to expel those that they consider are not indigenous.

The Public Order Act does not infer protected characteristics on minority organisations. it merely defines what is considered to be racial Hatred offences.

Zionists are a subset of a race, nationality or ethnicity, based on their political ambitions and interpretation of a base religion.
That aspiration is in contravention of the UN Charter, and a self-anointed extension of the UN Resolution 181, That Resolution never had the weight of the Security Council authority.
It would be like ascribing membership of a political party, or membership of a minority off-shoot of a religion, which preaches the annihilation of others, as a protected characteristic, protected under the Act, which is palpable nonsense.
Zionists main objective is the ethnic cleansing of Arabs, from the whole of Palestine. It is now the prime ideology of the current Israeli government.

Therefore Zionism would be in stark contravention of the UK's Public Order Act.
Therefore it cannot possibly have its own protection under the ACT.

 

[Odds]

I’d like to see wriggly odds define “religious zealots” as anything other than a “group of persons defined by reference to religious belief”

get the full quote and you'll put it all in context.

 

[T&G]

Two posts wriggling out of your definition himmy?

The moment you define them as a religious group - you hang yourself.

"Zionism is a religious movement that is not restricted to one ethnicity."

Is what you said..

the below - is just swerving.

Zionists would restrict their membership to just one ethnicity, if it was possible.
It is not possible. Anyone can consider themselves as a Zionist, irrespective of their ethnicity. Just as a Black person can consider themselves as a supporter of the KKK.
Biden considers himself as a Zionist. But he is using the more acceptable version of Zionism, as merely a supporter of an independent Israel.
But that is a more toned down, acceptable version of Zionism, designed to appease the moderate.
Zionism is really about the expulsion of all Arabs from the Levant. If that means ethnic cleansing or genocide, so be it, in their belief.
Non-Jews can also support that aspiration. They cannot be denied giving that support just because they are not Jews.
So Zionism is restricted to only Jews, in their doctrine. But in the real world, they cannot prevent non-Jews supporting them. Just as the KKK cannot prevent Black people supporting their aims.
Indeed there were Black, and Asian people who supported the aspirations of the NF, BNP, etc.

And if you insist on assigning a different name to me, other than my chosen name, I will start referring to you with a name I choose for you. I think Bull ****ter might be appropriate.