Knife attack in Nice

[Boogerman]

You are the one who put them together.

I didn't put them together. I argued that history can be taught without re-enacting it, especially when re-enacting it is likely to cause a reaction.
I specifically said:

Incidents can be discussed without the need to repeat them?

Charlie Hebdo is part of France's history. At the time of the original murders and those storming the offices of the magazine, freedom of speech was talked about then.

If a FRENCH teacher wishes to teach in FRANCE about what happened in FRANCE's history then that should be able to happen without having your head hacked off in the street. This is what freedom of speech is in France - or do you not realise what it means?

History does not need to be re-enacted to learn about it.

 

[sodthisforfun]

I didn't put them together. I argued that history can be taught without re-enacting it, especially when re-enacting it is likely to cause a reaction.

History does not need to be re-enacted to learn about it.

You are telling me that the teacher shouldn't use the very material that upset those Muslim nutters? So you want to fluff around history in order not to upset Muslims? In France, a country that isn't Muslim and is free? Who asked those who thought they may find it upset to leave the room?

Goodness me.

Stop victim blaming. It wasn't even a child from the class who beheaded the teacher. It was a nutter who didn't like the thought of it. There was zero harm done to anyone other than to the teacher. Live the rules of the country you are living in...

 

[Boogerman]

France is a free country. You're telling people in France not to rile Muslims. It's victim blaming.

I can see we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.
But victim blaming is done after the event. My comments were addressing the ability of the teacher to teach without re-enacting history.

It was only re-enacted by the 18 year old Muslim. France is free.

The teacher re-enacted the displaying of the cartoons. He knew it would cause offence, but he continued.
There is no law in France, as far as I am aware, that they must offend religions in the name of secularism.

 

[Bodd]

You are warped.

Just a complete nob

 

[Boogerman]

You are telling me that the teacher shouldn't use the very material that upset those Muslim nutters? So you want to fluff around history in order not to upset Muslims? In France, a country that isn't Muslim and is free? Who asked those who thought they may find it upset to leave the room?

Do teachers feel the need to bring firearms into the classroom to teach the dangers of guns?
Do teacheer present the class with pornography to teach about pornography?
Do teachers commit crimes to teach about criminality?
It shouldn't be necessary to re-enact a cartoon to teach about cartoons.

Stop victim blaming.

No-one is victim blaming.
I have said several times that terrorism is wrong. The teacher was wrong to display the cartoons, and the murderer was a murderer.
But if one is vistim blaming one excuses the criminal for their crime. No-one is doing that.

It wasn't even a child from the class who beheaded the teacher. It was a nutter who didn't like the thought of it. There was zero harm done to anyone other than to the teacher. Live the rules of the country you are living in...

It was pupils in the class who reported it to their parents. Then the issue escalated. The Turkish president, and others, inflamed the situation
There will always be nutters, zealots, terrorists, criminals, etc.
But I, for one, do not go out of my way to make myself a target.

 

[Bodd]

I can see we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.
But victim blaming is done after the event. My comments were addressing the ability of the teacher to teach without re-enacting history.



The teacher re-enacted the displaying of the cartoons. He knew it would cause offence, but he continued.
There is no law in France, as far as I am aware, that they must offend religions in the name of secularism.

Poor France to have an immigrant like you...

 

[Boogerman]

Poor France to have an immigrant like you...

Since when has Kent been in France?
Your geography is worse than your spelling.

 

[Trazor]

Since when has Kent been in France?
Your geography is worse than your spelling.

Hi Bobby.

 

[transam]

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[Boogerman]

Hi Bobby.

A chorus of false assumptions does not meet the level of proof expected.

 

[JP_]

What good does going up to the Krays do? Does it teach children about history and how it brought upon France talking about freedom of speech? I don't think the comparison is fair.

It may be bullying to all faiths, but in France it is free to do exactly that. Why should one faith be singled out and left alone in a country not of that faith? If you wish to live in a country, people should obey the rules and customs of that land. That includes not cutting people's heads off.

My comments mostly refer to the actions of the press that resulted in the attack today, not about the teacher.

IMO Charlie Habdo should not have republished the cartoons last month - it was a clear provocation in the name of freedom of speech.
And it should not have added fuel to the fire by publishing a cartoon mocking the Turkish present this week either.

Again, if you keep antagonising the violent crazy killers, don't be shocked when they violently kill somebody. Charlie Hebdo knows what is doing.

"We condemn this most disgusting effort by this publication to spread its cultural racism and hatred,” presidential spokesman Fahrettin Altun said

 

[transam]

They live in the Islamic community

Plenty know about it

Loads of em. Are to a certain extent complicit

In the act

 

[JP_]

Anyway, it is nice to see so many people on this forum in support of a left-wing publication, makes a change!

 

[durhamplumber]

Sensible people avoid provoking them.

How far do you take that? Cartoon drawing is hardly high up on ""provoking to behead people " scales.

 

[transam]

Anyway, it is nice to see so many people on this forum in support of a left-wing publication, makes a change!

Couldn't care less tbh if its left wing or not