Labour Conference

[gant]

Believe he went on a plumbing course when his political career ended, true socialist that he is.
Sorry wrong fella, managing director of the ESG department at JP Morgan it would appear.

 

[SirGalahad]

Healthcare spending as a percentage of GDP by country 2022 | Statista

The U.S. spent the highest percentage of GDP on healthcare globally. In comparison, other OECD countries spent a significantly lower share of GDP on healthcare.

www.statista.com

 

[Ivor Windybottom]

That is some twisted logic. How old are you? You couldn't afford a private healthcare system like in the US which it seems you are gagging for.

Their costs - even admin costs are out of control creating invoices and chasing invoices. They spend multiples more on admin than we do in the NHS.

The NHS needs investment for the simple fact we have an aging population - so moving to a private system is not going to solve that.

You really need to think before you post.

False dichotomy, strawman argument.

You're attempting to suggest that the one and only alternative to the terrible, inefficient NHS is the even more terrible US system.

Lots of countries have much better public healthcare systems, the world's full of them. You've cherry-picked the worst to try and make the NHS look good in comparison.

The NHS is THE BIGGEST EMPLOYER IN EUROPE and THE WORLD'S BIGGEST EMPLOYER OF HIGHLY SKILLED PROFESSIONALS. We're not the biggest country in the world or even Europe, it's a big money-sucking parasite that's bleeding the country dry and making doctors and managers ridiculously rich.

We need to give up talking about the NHS as though it's a religion, or suggesting that the only alternative is the bloody terrible US system, this stupid argument is used as a threat to silence sensible debate. Any decent government needs to start by recognising that it's a mess and needs fundamental reform from the ground upwards.

Gordon Brown privatised substantial parts of it via PFI contracts, so no party has a monopoly on principles. The whole private vs public thing needs open grown-up discussion, not brainless comparisons against the US system.

 

[SirGalahad]

False dichotomy, strawman argument.

You're attempting to suggest that the one and only alternative to the terrible, inefficient NHS is the even more terrible US system.

Lots of countries have much better public healthcare systems, the world's full of them. You've cherry-picked the worst to try and make the NHS look good in comparison.

The NHS is THE BIGGEST EMPLOYER IN EUROPE and THE WORLD'S BIGGEST EMPLOYER OF HIGHLY SKILLED PROFESSIONALS. We're not the biggest country in the world or even Europe, it's a big money-sucking parasite that's bleeding the country dry and making doctors and managers ridiculously rich.

We need to give up talking about the NHS as though it's a religion, or suggesting that the only alternative is the bloody terrible US system, this stupid argument is used as a threat to silence sensible debate. Any decent government needs to start by recognising that it's a mess and needs fundamental reform from the ground upwards.

Gordon Brown privatised substantial parts of it via PFI contracts, so no party has a monopoly on principles. The whole private vs public thing needs open grown-up discussion, not brainless comparisons against the US system.

Can you tell me how efficient or inefficient other systems are?

Those countries with better healthcare systems - list them and then list their health spend as percentage of GDP.

They spend more.

Dcotors will make more in a private system - look at salaries of doctors abroad.

Can you tell me how you would reform it.

Can you tell me how you deal with agency capture?

Yeah I will be waiting.

European countries have a mixed system and they spend much more than us - tell me how are we going to spend more?

 

[Notch7]

it's a big money-sucking parasite that's bleeding the country dry and making doctors and managers ridiculously rich

Completely wrong

if you compare NHS metrics with all the leading European ones like Germany, France, Spain, Italy you will find NHS spend is less per capita (it’s increased recently since covid, but that doesn’t help restore investment)

doctors get paid less in UK

NHS is not management heavy compared to other health services


Please try researching facts before posting, we don’t need to hear your years of bias es tabled by learning false information.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

False dichotomy, strawman argument.

You're attempting to suggest that the one and only alternative to the terrible, inefficient NHS is the even more terrible US system.

Lots of countries have much better public healthcare systems, the world's full of them. You've cherry-picked the worst to try and make the NHS look good in comparison.

The NHS is THE BIGGEST EMPLOYER IN EUROPE and THE WORLD'S BIGGEST EMPLOYER OF HIGHLY SKILLED PROFESSIONALS. We're not the biggest country in the world or even Europe, it's a big money-sucking parasite that's bleeding the country dry and making doctors and managers ridiculously rich.

We need to give up talking about the NHS as though it's a religion, or suggesting that the only alternative is the bloody terrible US system, this stupid argument is used as a threat to silence sensible debate. Any decent government needs to start by recognising that it's a mess and needs fundamental reform from the ground upwards.

Gordon Brown privatised substantial parts of it via PFI contracts, so no party has a monopoly on principles. The whole private vs public thing needs open grown-up discussion, not brainless comparisons against the US system.

I'd like somebody to actually come up with a better system, that can cope with an ageing population rather than just talk the NHS down

 

[gant]

Completely wrong

if you compare NHS metrics with all the leading European ones like Germany, France, Spain, Italy you will find NHS spend is less per capita (it’s increased recently since covid, but that doesn’t help restore investment)

doctors get paid less in UK

NHS is not management heavy compared to other health services


Please try researching facts before posting, we don’t need to hear your years of bias es tabled by learning false information.

I've done some research, we spend just over 11% of gdp and Spain spend 3% of gdp Italy 9•5 France and Germany just over 12%

 

[SirGalahad]

I've done some research, we spend just over 11% of gdp and Spain spend 3% of gdp Italy 9•5 France and Germany just over 12%

Thats complete lies, now back it up.

 

[SirGalahad]

I'd like somebody to actually come up with a better system, that can cope with an ageing population rather than just talk the NHS down

One way to cope with an ageing population is growing the economy.

 

[gant]

Public spending on health as GDP share Spain 2021 | Statista

In 2021, public spending on health represented approximately 7.3 percent of the Spanish GDP, a slight decrease relative to the figures reported a year prior.

www.statista.com

Lie number one missed the 7 to get your pulse rate up.
Got this one near.

Italy: public healthcare expenditure 2021 | Statista

Public healthcare expenditure in Italy increased steadily in the last two decades.

www.statista.com

Do you want germanys and Frances they spend more.

 

[Roy Bloom]

Thats complete lies, now back it up.

The first four words were enough to convince me he's lying.

I've done some research,

 

[gant]

Bit to quick out of the traps.

 

[gant]

Thats complete lies, now back it up.

Apology? No not your style eh.

 

[SirGalahad]

I've done some research, we spend just over 11% of gdp and Spain spend 3% of gdp Italy 9•5 France and Germany just over 12%

Poor lad you missed out the out of pocket / private expendiure didnt you.

 

[Roy Bloom]

I've done some research, ... Spain spend 3% of gdp ...

Thats complete lies, now back it up.

Public spending on health as GDP share Spain 2021 | Statista

In 2021, public spending on health represented approximately 7.3 percent of the Spanish GDP, a slight decrease relative to the figures reported a year prior.

www.statista.com

missed the 7 ...

Apology?

Gnat expects someone to apologise because he was caught out lying.

The mind boggles.