Money saving asylum seeker pilot scheme abandoned

[carmanmemoranda]

rubbish as you know.

Ivor did a fine job already.

but here again for the hard of thinking.

Every adult (except those who have been trafficked) who enters the UK via small boat etc. without the appropriate passport, visa or leave is guilty of s24 of the immigration act. Those who assist others by piloting/steering/helming/etc may be guilty of a s25 offence. They are therefore all illegal immigrants.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1971/77/section/24.

If they can subsequently prove they are refugees, they may be afforded protection by the state. Noting the following things:
1) the government has stated it will not grant refugee status (save for the small exceptions) to anyone guilty of s24.. s25 etc. arriving by small boat
2) the refugee convention does not require protection to those guilty of crimes.
3) s24 and s25 offences committed during an attempt to enter the UK for the purpose of claiming asylum does not give the illegal immigrant a get out of jail card if they did not come directly to the UK without passing through any other safe country.

You don't like it, but its the UK government's strategy and the legal basis that they are operating within.

Currently the CPS target offenders who have aggravating factors, there is a long list (already shared), and these include previous attempts or allegations of facilitation (s24 or s25). If there is sufficient evidence to proceed on facilitation you get s25 and typically 4 years prison, if not they go s24 with 9 months.

So you start out as an illegal immigrant.


show me where I said all illegal immigrants are prosecuted. Its in your head as usual.

Go back and read post 633 again.

Read it slowly and read it twice. Go back further to the posts it highlights.

Then tell everybody that you were clear and precise. We all know you bluff and swerve your way through.

I think youve finally accepted the immigrants are not the hotspot as you claimed. You just havent accepted the rest of your bs is exactly that.

How on earth do you get on when real lawyers ask you questions or to do work for them? I assume you are a clerk not a lawyer.

 

[JP_]

Sounds great. Strange that most don't come here, elsewhere must be even better.

Elsewhere is better. When did England or a UK town last win, or even get a mention, in best places to live?

 

[motorbiking]

Go back and read post 633 again.

Read it slowly and read it twice. Go back further to the posts it highlights.

Then tell everybody that you were clear and precise. We all know you bluff and swerve your way through.

I think youve finally accepted the immigrants are not the hotspot as you claimed. You just havent accepted the rest of your bs is exactly that.

How on earth do you get on when real lawyers ask you questions or to do work for them? I assume you are a clerk not a lawyer.

Funny how you don’t quote me saying all illegal immigrants are prosecuted. Are you having difficulty finding it? Let me help…. Oh no… wait… I never said it.

Stop blaming others for your error and maybe consider apologising.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Funny how you don’t quote me saying all illegal immigrants are prosecuted. Are you having difficulty finding it? Let me help…. Oh no… wait… I never said it.

Stop blaming others for your error and maybe consider apologising.

Go back and read the post again.

You clearly said they were " arrested and detained in custody on arrival" the sentence is 9 months

I asked if it was true and you replied.

Yup.


Now that was either wrong. Or intentionally misleading. No matter how you squirm and swerve, it's in writing.

 

[motorbiking]

It is true.

And it was all in your head that I said every illegal immigrant is arrested and prosecuted. That was you jumping to conclusions.

All can be prosecuted and I have said several times that the cps are only targeting those that meet their guidelines (aggravating factors). I’ve posted these and the sentencing guidelines along with the method of trial.

The key point according to the govt is no illegal immigrant crossing via small boat will be granted asylum.

There is no longer any route to claim refugee status if you sneak in by boat from france (a safe country).

 

[Roy Bloom]

What survey? It was just a factual statement.

Gant frequently invents things in an attempt to prove his point.
He has a vivd but perverted imagination.

 

[Ivor Windybottom]

Elsewhere is better. When did England or a UK town last win, or even get a mention, in best places to live?

Probably before many places got turned into HMO shanty towns to accomodate the uncontrolled population rise.

 

[Roy Bloom]

The key point according to the govt is no illegal immigrant crossing via small boat will be granted asylum.

There is no longer any route to claim refugee status if you sneak in by boat from france (a safe country).

So what happens to these asylum claimants. Their application is refused, but acording to previous statistics, the vast majority have a genuine need for asylum. So they can't be returned to their country of origin, Any attempt to deport them to Rwanda or anywhere else has failed.
So they're to be left wandering the streets of UK, deprived of access to public funds, deprived of access to accomodation, and deprived of access to employment.
This all sounds liike an intentional policy to provide fodder for slavery, crime, and black market employment.
Typical far-right government policy. Create the conditions to increase crime, then blame the criminals for their policy failures.

 

[Ivor Windybottom]

They should be given a tent on a remote prison island and a free one way ticket to anywhere in the world they fancy.

But yes, the reality is that the current system does feed the black market and this may well be intentional.

I'm sticking to my theory that the tories have basically given up, and are now concentrating on leaving things as bad as possible for Starmer and co to sort out, in the hope that the public blames them for the almighty mess they'll undoubtedly make of fixing it, if the labour party doesn't tear itself apart due to the idealist do-gooders falling out with those who live in the real world.

 

[JP_]

Probably before many places got turned into HMO shanty towns to accomodate the uncontrolled population rise.

Germany always ranks highly though. What are they doing right?

 

[motorbiking]

Well that’s one way to look at it.

Another way, is to see it as part of a strategy to tackle illegal immigration by getting the message out that if you come via small boat no matter what (not withstanding the few exceptions) you won’t be allowed to stay here.

 

[IT Minion]

Well that’s one way to look at it.

Another way, is to see it as part of a strategy to tackle illegal immigration by getting the message out that if you come via small boat no matter what (not withstanding the few exceptions) you won’t be allowed to stay here.

Except you will be, because most of the time you are. Because most of these asylum seekers are legitimate refugees.

 

[JP_]

Well that’s one way to look at it.

Another way, is to see it as part of a strategy to tackle illegal immigration by getting the message out that if you come via small boat no matter what (not withstanding the few exceptions) you won’t be allowed to stay here.

But the driving force is probably just to get here regardless. The plan is probably to not get caught in the first place.

 

[motorbiking]

Except you will be, because most of the time you are. Because most of these asylum seekers are legitimate refugees.

not any more

 

[motorbiking]

But the driving force is probably just to get here regardless. The plan is probably to not get caught in the first place.

Yes of course why else would you cross at night in a tiny boat without navigation lights or AIS.

There is a widespread view that the UK's refugee support process is being abused and that claiming asylum is a get out of jail card for being detained after illegal entry. Crossings are down 20%. We will see if that is the sh*t British Summer or as a result of new deterrents.

who wants to pay 1500 - 3k euro only to find that the land of #everthingisfree no longer exists.