Nurse Lucy Letby charged with 8 counts of murder and 10 counts of attempted murder

[motorbiking]

Let's try again for the hard of understanding.

How many jurors were selected ?

12.

How many returned a verdict?

11.

What’s your point ?

Does it make any difference to the trial? No

 

[carmanmemoranda]

11 in the minimum otherwise you have a miss trial

So were 11 or 12 selected ?

 

[Andydevon]

Selected does not matter the number you count is the individuals who retire to the Jury room to deliberate on the verdict. 11 gave a verdict from the jury Forman (woman) that is all that counts.

 

[blup]

11 in the minimum otherwise you have a miss trial

Googling again, clause 16 of the Juries act 1974 says up to three jurors can be discharged, so 9 it seems is a minimum.

 

[blup]

So were 11 or 12 selected ?

12 was the electorate, 11 the turnout

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Selected does not matter the number you count is the individuals who retire to the Jury room to deliberate on the verdict. 11 gave a verdict from the jury Forman (woman) that is all that counts.

No

The trial was conducted with 12, but 1 dropped out.

It was NOT conducted with 11, which can happen, but didn't.

It was a trial with jurors as normal. Any trial can have jurors leaving for any number of reasons, but they are still regarded as being normal trials with a normal jury.

To start with 11, although possible, would have made it unusual.

Thems the facts ! (Before the pedant starts, it may not be in legalese)

 

[Andydevon]

Have you ever served in a jury Carmen?

 

[fillyboy]

It was NOT conducted with 11, which can happen, but didn't.

Was it concluded with 11?

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Was it concluded with 11?

Which 1 ?

 

[fillyboy]

Which 1 ?

The trial that concluded the case.

 

[Andydevon]

Carmen have you served in a jury? It is important you disclose this as it will illustrate the voracity of your comments.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

The trial that concluded the case.

There were 12 jurors involved over 13 days, the remaining 11 were told ....

“The trial will continue with 11 of you. I will give you further directions tomorrow when you return to court.

“There is no significance. This happens in trials not infrequently. You can continue as a jury of 11 very well.”

So 12 were involved, and the input of the 1 that retired was still included within the remaining 11.


So 11 made the final decision, but all 12 were involoved to some degree.

So it was a normal 12 person jury

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Carmen have you served in a jury? It is important you disclose this as it will illustrate the voracity of your comments.

It has nothing to do with you. And cases are not allowed to be discussed anyway

 

[Andydevon]

That will be a no then and your comments are from a place of ignorance.

 

[fillyboy]

You can continue as a jury of 11 very well.

Thought so. Thanks.