Give it time. Labour always end in disaster. One minute it's all "the white heat of technology", next we're the sick man of Europe with dead unburied and rubbish uncollected.
Oh FFS. Not again!
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Give it time. Labour always end in disaster. One minute it's all "the white heat of technology", next we're the sick man of Europe with dead unburied and rubbish uncollected.
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There's two issues.
1) Isolationists don't want to accept any asylum seekers. Racists and bigots don't want to accept particular types of asylum seekers.
2) People trying to get to the UK to claim asylum generally have to take small unsafe boats to get here.
The real problem is that people who object to 1 use 2 as the excuse.
So things like creating legal pathways or opening asylum claim centers in Calais and Embassies which would pretty much eliminate small boat crossings are unacceptable as it still allows refugees to settle here. Probably more as it will be safer for women and children who would be eligible but are scared by the journey.
1) Isolationists don't want to accept any asylum seekers. Racists and bigots don't want to accept particular types of asylum seekers.
2) People trying to get to the UK to claim asylum generally have to take small unsafe boats to get here.
The real problem is that people who object to 1 use 2 as the excuse.
So things like creating legal pathways or opening asylum claim centers in Calais and Embassies which would pretty much eliminate small boat crossings are unacceptable as it still allows refugees to settle here. Probably more as it will be safer for women and children who would be eligible but are scared by the journey.
Is there a solution.
Maybe you just have to accept that mass immigration, legal or illegal is a fact of life.
Poor people have always been attracted to the centres of power and wealth, with the collapse of European imperial control over Africa and Asia, the people from these areas are free to make their way to Europe in order to have a better life.
The dilemma for Britain and Europe is the fact that they have declining indigenous populations, Britain used to produce its own workers along with its own cars, ships, washing machines ect, nowadays it has to import all this stuff along with young workers.
There are solutions.
Unfortunately though, there are bothersome things like human rights that get in the way of them.
Unfortunately though, there are bothersome things like human rights that get in the way of them.
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Not just more, double, treble, quadruple. The rest of europe is sick of these economic migrants, that is why everywhere is turning to the right (we did here but our ridiculous electoral system meant our rightward swing to reform caused a landslide labour gov) When we set up these asylum claim centre on the continents with free ferry tickets (oh yes they are on the way), all the other EU countries will just bus all their unwanted straight to these centres. (and the ones we turn away will just get a small boat as they do now)
As sure as Labour will edge closer and closer to palastine and hamas (they have already started with arms embargo) They will slowly but surely open our doors to anyone who wishes to come here - its in the lefts DNA
Labour is a disaster in the making
Let's discount #1 simply because it's a bit of a left wing trope, there are such people but they are a miniscule minority.
Legal pathways probably are the answer, how would you feel about a quota, an annual limit on the numbers allowed asylum. Bear in mind if it's made easier the numbers are very likely to increase dramatically.
There were roughly 67,000 asylum applications last year, would a cap on successful applications of 45,000 sound reasonable? I assume a successful application would result in family members joining them so successful applications could potentially treble or quadruple the number.
Or do you think there should be no limit.
Hmm, asking liberals for numbers and limits is always tumbleweed time.
The elections in Germany will be wake up call to the 'left', they will have to listen to the people or cease to exist. Expect some changes shortly, Scholz is already moving in the required direction, he has no choice.
I suspect Labour might be too arrogant to do the same.
Yep, isolationist or racist. Concerns about people dying in the channel are just excuses to justify it in a more socially acceptable manner.
As to made up numbers, who knows.
Attack the smuggling gangs. Needs to be done at the French end though.
That’s utter bolox
The last period of labour govt ended with the country having lower pensioner and child poverty, the lowest NHS waiting lists in history etc etc.
Filly is easily brainwashed by right wing populism
Trump once said: “I love the uneducated”
You’ll never get an answer to that from the usual suspects and even if there was a limit, what would happen when that limit was reached?
Labour had to go to the IMF for a loan because of the Conservatives.
You can’t come up with a single solution or ids on how to,stop small boats leaving France
Until you can, asking for a number is pointless
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