The Grad system is a MLRS, comparable to the M270 that the US and others, including us, use.
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Confirmed these are the ones being sent
stressing the "high accuracy" bit.
They're a kinda lighter version than the 270
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The one we see quoted most on the R side are
But they do have gps guided shells with 120km range, which are possibly a close comparable. (Smerch replacement, Tornado projectile, tested in 2009)
Grad is a bit of a general term, they were first used 1963, name still in use.
Grad -K is the latest, it says.
Maybe the carrier is more nimble, but I don't see anything to suggest the US missiles are better than the latest Russian ones.
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Loads of variants...
stressing the "high accuracy" bit.
They're a kinda lighter version than the 270
M142 HIMARS - Wikipedia
The one we see quoted most on the R side are
| Effective firing range | .5-3 km (TOS-1) 10 km (TOS-1A) |
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But they do have gps guided shells with 120km range, which are possibly a close comparable. (Smerch replacement, Tornado projectile, tested in 2009)
Grad is a bit of a general term, they were first used 1963, name still in use.
Grad -K is the latest, it says.
Maybe the carrier is more nimble, but I don't see anything to suggest the US missiles are better than the latest Russian ones.
M270 MLRS or M142 HIMARS. Which of these two systems can Ukraine get?
In the United States, there are two multiple rocket launchers (MLS): M142 HIMARS (wheeled chassis) and M270 MLRS (tracked chassis). Both have a calculation of three people, both fire the same missiles, both do not need a fire control center to calculate their tasks.
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Loads of variants...
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and the toilet pans, in Russia there is now a shortage of clay for making porcelain as the main supply of this clay was the Ukraine,,,,,,,,,,,
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Not much point in leaving it around to rot.
My take on the rocket launchers is the grad was a reference to a specific iteration and they have moved on from that to a model with sat nav in the missiles but also updating some ??? gravs. Visually the 2 models are very similar. They have 220 and 300mm stuff as well.
They also have these and others
Russia has Kh-55SM cruise missiles, with a range similar to the United States' AGM-129 range of 3000 km, but are able to carry a more powerful warhead of 200 kt. They are equipped with a TERCOM system which allows them to cruise at an altitude lower than 110 meters at subsonic speeds while obtaining a CEP accuracy of 15 meters with an inertial navigation system. They are air-launched from either Tupolev Tu-95s, Tupolev Tu-22Ms, or Tupolev Tu-160s, each able to carry 16 for the Tu-95, 12 for the Tu-160, and 4 for the Tu-22M. A stealth version of the missile, the Kh-101 is in development. It has similar qualities as the Kh-55, except that its range has been extended to 5,000 km, equipped with a 1,000 kg conventional warhead, and has stealth features which reduces its probability of intercept.[61]
While they can be seen as ship and air use based that needn't be the case. Iskander for instance. I suspect they have grav with inertial guidance as well. Something I think I saw mentioned some time ago. There may be a wiki page around specifically on Russian cruise and also drones but can't find them.
One aspect - if Ukraine did need various supplies, bullets, shells simple things those at least must be getting through or they wouldn't be able to fight.
My take on the rocket launchers is the grad was a reference to a specific iteration and they have moved on from that to a model with sat nav in the missiles but also updating some ??? gravs. Visually the 2 models are very similar. They have 220 and 300mm stuff as well.
They also have these and others
Russia has Kh-55SM cruise missiles, with a range similar to the United States' AGM-129 range of 3000 km, but are able to carry a more powerful warhead of 200 kt. They are equipped with a TERCOM system which allows them to cruise at an altitude lower than 110 meters at subsonic speeds while obtaining a CEP accuracy of 15 meters with an inertial navigation system. They are air-launched from either Tupolev Tu-95s, Tupolev Tu-22Ms, or Tupolev Tu-160s, each able to carry 16 for the Tu-95, 12 for the Tu-160, and 4 for the Tu-22M. A stealth version of the missile, the Kh-101 is in development. It has similar qualities as the Kh-55, except that its range has been extended to 5,000 km, equipped with a 1,000 kg conventional warhead, and has stealth features which reduces its probability of intercept.[61]
While they can be seen as ship and air use based that needn't be the case. Iskander for instance. I suspect they have grav with inertial guidance as well. Something I think I saw mentioned some time ago. There may be a wiki page around specifically on Russian cruise and also drones but can't find them.
One aspect - if Ukraine did need various supplies, bullets, shells simple things those at least must be getting through or they wouldn't be able to fight.
It looks like launchers are already there ?? video on this page
myukraineis.org
Afraid I think the mentions of Russian gear is a bit warped. They also have loads of them. Maybe this is what wiped out a battle group crossing a river. The artillery barrage mentioned - I wonder.
I have a feeling this may mean a different type of escalation if Ukraine use them as I suspect they might.
The advance in Severodonetsk continues according to Alj. Slow but steady. This seems to be updated regularly and comments more interesting note the one about not defending Severodonetsk too hard and changes in the south. More troop movements by Russia next soon ????
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C4 mentioned that more will probably be heard concerning the south. Said it was a gut feeling.
Gunners showed how MLRS strikes at the Russian occupiers
Ukrainian artillerymen showed how jet systems inflict fire damage on the positions of Russian invaders in Donetsk region.
myukraineis.org
Afraid I think the mentions of Russian gear is a bit warped. They also have loads of them. Maybe this is what wiped out a battle group crossing a river. The artillery barrage mentioned - I wonder.
I have a feeling this may mean a different type of escalation if Ukraine use them as I suspect they might.
The advance in Severodonetsk continues according to Alj. Slow but steady. This seems to be updated regularly and comments more interesting note the one about not defending Severodonetsk too hard and changes in the south. More troop movements by Russia next soon ????
Ukraine Invasion Updates
This page collects the Critical Threats Project (CTP) and the Institute for the Study of War (ISW) updates on the invasion of Ukraine.
C4 mentioned that more will probably be heard concerning the south. Said it was a gut feeling.
Now that is a disaster for them, considering the Russians are full of sh1t
Those are from Grad MRLS. It says so in the article.It looks like launchers are already there ?? video on this page
Gunners showed how MLRS strikes at the Russian occupiers
Ukrainian artillerymen showed how jet systems inflict fire damage on the positions of Russian invaders in Donetsk region.
Afraid I think the mentions of Russian gear is a bit warped. They also have loads of them. Maybe this is what wiped out a battle group crossing a river. The artillery barrage mentioned - I wonder.
I have a feeling this may mean a different type of escalation if Ukraine use them as I suspect they might.
The advance in Severodonetsk continues according to Alj. Slow but steady. This seems to be updated regularly and comments more interesting note the one about not defending Severodonetsk too hard and changes in the south. More troop movements by Russia next soon ????
Ukraine Invasion Updates
This page collects the Critical Threats Project (CTP) and the Institute for the Study of War (ISW) updates on the invasion of Ukraine.
C4 mentioned that more will probably be heard concerning the south. Said it was a gut feeling.
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I know but they are there and it would seem in effective use. The warped part I mentioned relates to newer versions.
It's quantity, not the mere presence that's the issue.
Ukraine has far fewer MRLS than Russia. Also exactly how good the precision guidance or ability to use laser targeting is undoubtedly different. Finally I think the US version is slightly longer ranged.
That bit relates to longer range stuff from other countries.
It seems Germany is sending an air defence system capable of protecting cities. Don't expect that sort of thing to happen quickly as I assume training is needed. Not just using but maintaining. This may apply to the USA kit too. In other theatres the usa has sent contractors in.
I have been wondering how long howitzer barrels last. Found this
Normally the M777 barrel can fire up to 2,500 shells before wearing out but barrel life depends on what type of shell your fire. If you fire the longer range shells (which the Marines did) barrel life is much reduced (to about a thousand rounds).
Artillery: The Four Ton Wonder
The US Department of Defense recently revealed that a US Marine artillery battalion (1st Battalion, 10th Marines) fired more rounds (35,000) in a single campaign (Syria June-October 2017) than any American artillery battalion (army or marine) since t
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Seems they measure the bore in the field or when varying propellent charges are used keep a log.
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Grad is a term used since 1963 so not very useful, it's used to cover the lot. The missiles make major difference. MLRS = MRLS etc.
Ukes have just about been pushed out of Severodonetsk, and are under pressure in that whole area, where many of the better Uke forces are. They could get squashed unless they retreat. It might be better to withdraw and wait for new equipment.
Otherwise not very much going on. How much difference can a few western arms make over the enormous length of the front?
Could say that the R's aren't being pushed back anywhere; they have enough resources to hold on, but aren't able to make big pushes forwards. Ultimately they do have more equipment even if some is old with worn barrels (reduced range and accuracy), so they can keep pounding away.
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Grad is a term used since 1963 so not very useful, it's used to cover the lot. The missiles make major difference. MLRS = MRLS etc.
Ukes have just about been pushed out of Severodonetsk, and are under pressure in that whole area, where many of the better Uke forces are. They could get squashed unless they retreat. It might be better to withdraw and wait for new equipment.
Otherwise not very much going on. How much difference can a few western arms make over the enormous length of the front?
Could say that the R's aren't being pushed back anywhere; they have enough resources to hold on, but aren't able to make big pushes forwards. Ultimately they do have more equipment even if some is old with worn barrels (reduced range and accuracy), so they can keep pounding away.
I think grad is a NATO name for that model. Next iteration Tornado, Another eg - new missile called Satan II so there may have been a I
Grads are said to be able to cause some level of destruction over 1 square mile from one salvo. The pattern can be shaped. One thing that struck me is that Russia doesn't seem to have used them much /. at all in numbers all at once.
The Tornado max range is 90 and 120km with an unknown long range introduced recently. It shoots 120,220 amd 300mm. Reloads quickly but like all and artilliary needs to be able to get to s support vehicle for munitions.
Selenskyy mentioned not trying too hard there recently. Report of unpleasant gasses. There is an industrial area on Ukraine's route out, chemical works. According to war in ukraine one bridge knocked out and one left for a retreat.
Ukraine is having some success in the south. The more advanced gear could help them break lines. TBH though I've long thought we are seeing a slow escalation in that area. Blinken running a press conference with a N|ATO head feels it will go on for months. Alternative such as Russia just going home possible but unlikely. Serious food shortages mentioned. Was 100,000,000 now higher. He says Russia can sell grain without any problems from sanctions. He's been everywhere making that clear. No mention of Russia and mine sweepers - mines do seem to be an issue for exports from Ukraine via sea and lack of insurance.
The History channel showed what was the incredibly effective German tank attacks in WWII. Troops running behind them. Seems the Germans also used horses for pulling stuff as they don't need fuel and can cope with mud. Eventually they were used for food during the retreat from the east, dual purpose, 1,000s of them
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