Rape gangs. Why does the Home Office minister not want a national public enquiry?

Ah, I see. You've no examples so you revert to silliness and gobbledegook. True to form.
n July 2015 Dowling was convicted of child sex abuse and sent to prison.[35] Several bishops failed to take action over Dowling possibly because there was not an earlier prosecution.[14] A few days later the Bishop of Durham said at a church synod that the 2003 abolition of defrocking may have been a mistake; it had been abolished over concerns about wrongful convictions.[36]

In October 2015, Ball was sentenced to 32 months' imprisonment for sexual abuse after admitting the abuse of 18 young men over a period of 15 years from 1977 to 1992.[37][18][38][39] Further charges of indecently assaulting two boys, aged 13 and 15, were allowed to lie on file in a contentious decision by the CPS.[40] Vickery House, was also convicted in October 2015 and was sentenced to serve 61⁄2 years in prison for sex assaults against men and a boy. House worked in the same diocese as Ball. House and Ball collaborated in abusing three victims. If Ball had not pleaded guilty both men would have been tried together.[41] There was a long delay between the first complaints to the police over House and a proper police investigation.[42]

The Anglican Diocese of Portsmouth had a number of sexual abuse convictions in the 1980s and 1990s.[43] Bishop Timothy Bavin was the bishop between 1985 and 1996 and during this time a number of serious safeguarding issues took place. For example, Bavin did not report Father Terry Knight to the police when parents raised their concerns to him in 1985.[43] Father Knight was allowed to carry on in his position until he was later convicted for sexually abusing boys in 1996 and again in 2016.[44] Bavin had also allowed a convicted paedophile priest, Father Michael Gover, to carry on working for the church on his release in 1990. Father Gover was convicted in 1985 at around the same time as parents raised their concerns about Father Knight.[45] Bavin stood down in 1995 whilst Father Terry Knight's police investigation and court case was taking place.[46]

In March 2016, the "first independent review commissioned by the Church of England into its handling of a sex abuse case" issued a 21-page report by Ian Elliott, a safeguarding expert. The Church published only its conclusions and recommendations and "acknowledged the report was 'embarrassing and uncomfortable' reading". The review centred on the case of "Joe" – described in the report as survivor "B". In July 2014, Joe had "reported the abuse to the church’s safeguarding officers". He sued the church in October 2015. The church paid £35,000 in compensation and called the abuse is "a matter of deep shame and regret".[47][48]

The review criticised the office of Justin Welby, the Archbishop of Canterbury. It said that Welby's office failed "to respond meaningfully to repeated efforts by the survivor throughout 2015 to bring his case to the church leader’s attention".[citation needed]

Speaking on behalf of the church, Sarah Mullally, Bishop of Crediton, said that Welby has made "a personal commitment to seeing all the recommendations implemented quickly". The eleven recommendations included (1) training clergy (especially those in senior positions) to keep records and take action for those who report abuse and (2) the church should insure that "pastoral care of survivors takes precedence over protection of reputation or financial considerations". Bishop Mullally "is drawing up an action plan to implement the report's proposals, covering education and training, communication and structural change".[47][48]
 
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Ah, I see. You've no examples so you revert to silliness and gobbledegook. True to form.
etween 2001 and 2014, 52 Catholic clergy were laicized throughout England and Wales.[238] In 2020, the Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse released a report which stated that the Catholic Church of England and Wales "swept under the carpet" allegations of sex abuse and numerous Catholic clergy in England and Wales.[239] According to the report, Vincent Nichols, now a cardinal and the senior Catholic cleric in England and Wales, "There was no acknowledgement of any personal responsibility".[239] The report also accused Nichols of protecting the reputation of the Church rather than protecting victims and lacked compassion towards victims.[240]

Archdiocese of Birmingham​

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Father Alexander Bede Walsh was sentenced to 22 years in prison in March 2012 for serious child sex offences against boys. Walsh used religion to control his young victims, telling one boy that drinking alcohol would get him to heaven, and another believed that the abuse was the hand of God touching him, for example. One young victim was driven to a suicide attempt.[241][242][243] Walsh had a previous conviction for computer indecency.[244]

James Robinson worked in parishes in the English Midlands and when an accusation of child abuse happened in the 1980s, the Roman Catholic Church allowed him to escape to the United States though they knew about an "unwholesome relationship" the priest had with a boy. Robinson remained free for over 20 years till in the first decade of the 21st century he was extradited back to the UK to face charges. Robinson has received a 21-year prison sentence for multiple child sex offences.[245][246] The Roman Catholic Church paid Robinson up to £800 per month despite knowing the allegations against him.[247]

There are widespread accusations of physical abuse, emotional abuse and sexual abuse of unprotected children at Father Hudson Home, Coleshill, Warwickshire. There are even allegations that vulnerable children disappeared inexplicably. According to reports, priests and nuns were the perpetrators.[248][249]
 
Ah, I see. You've no examples so you revert to silliness and gobbledegook. True to form.

Diocese of Shrewsbury​

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In December 2012, staff at the Christian Brothers school St Ambrose College, Altrincham, were implicated in a child sex abuse case involving teaching staff carrying out alleged acts of abuse both on and off school grounds, although no current staff are said to be involved.[250] More than fifty former pupils contacted police, either as victims of, or witnesses to, sexual abuse. The alleged sexual abuse, including molestation of children while corporal punishment was administered, stemmed from 1962 onwards and continued over four decades.[251] Alan Morris, a Catholic deacon who also once served not only as a teacher at St. Ambrose, but also as the school's deputy head, was convicted in 2014 of 19 counts of sexual abuse he committed between 1972 and 1990 and was given a nine-year prison sentence.[252] An overall total of 47 indictments were issued, with at least 27 made public since Morris was convicted.[252]

Archdiocese of Liverpool​

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In December 2018, former Liverpool priest Francis William Simpson was convicted of sexually abusing four boys in front of their parents, one as young as seven.[253][254] In February 2019, Simpson was given a sentence of two years and two months in prison.[253]

Diocese of Leeds​

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On 1 December 2020, Diocese of Leeds priest Fr. Patrick Smythe faced four counts of indecent assault on four boys aged under 16 while he was serving the Catholic church in Leeds and Skipton between the years 1979 and 1983.[255] Symthe was investigated by West Yorkshire Police for these allegations.[255] He was set to make his first appearance at the Leeds Magistrates' Court on 16 December 2020.[255] In April 2022 he was convicted of sexually assaulting six boys and jailed for 7.5 years.[256]
 
Lost count of the times I’ve said it but just for you I’ll say it again so that you can STFU: All child abusers of any colour/race/religion/nationality are dirty perverted c***s and should face the most severe penalties. It’s just that I’ve yet to come across a story of a organised white grooming gang that targets young Asian girls. Have you?
It's maybe not organised grooming as such and isn't UK based, however for decades white men have targeted Asian girls in countries like Thailand etc.
 
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n July 2015 Dowling was convicted of child sex abuse and sent to prison.[35] Several bishops failed to take action over Dowling possibly because there was not an earlier prosecution.[14] A few days later the Bishop of Durham said at a church synod that the 2003 abolition of defrocking may have been a mistake; it had been abolished over concerns about wrongful convictions.[36]

In October 2015, Ball was sentenced to 32 months' imprisonment for sexual abuse after admitting the abuse of 18 young men over a period of 15 years from 1977 to 1992.[37][18][38][39] Further charges of indecently assaulting two boys, aged 13 and 15, were allowed to lie on file in a contentious decision by the CPS.[40] Vickery House, was also convicted in October 2015 and was sentenced to serve 61⁄2 years in prison for sex assaults against men and a boy. House worked in the same diocese as Ball. House and Ball collaborated in abusing three victims. If Ball had not pleaded guilty both men would have been tried together.[41] There was a long delay between the first complaints to the police over House and a proper police investigation.[42]

The Anglican Diocese of Portsmouth had a number of sexual abuse convictions in the 1980s and 1990s.[43] Bishop Timothy Bavin was the bishop between 1985 and 1996 and during this time a number of serious safeguarding issues took place. For example, Bavin did not report Father Terry Knight to the police when parents raised their concerns to him in 1985.[43] Father Knight was allowed to carry on in his position until he was later convicted for sexually abusing boys in 1996 and again in 2016.[44] Bavin had also allowed a convicted paedophile priest, Father Michael Gover, to carry on working for the church on his release in 1990. Father Gover was convicted in 1985 at around the same time as parents raised their concerns about Father Knight.[45] Bavin stood down in 1995 whilst Father Terry Knight's police investigation and court case was taking place.[46]

In March 2016, the "first independent review commissioned by the Church of England into its handling of a sex abuse case" issued a 21-page report by Ian Elliott, a safeguarding expert. The Church published only its conclusions and recommendations and "acknowledged the report was 'embarrassing and uncomfortable' reading". The review centred on the case of "Joe" – described in the report as survivor "B". In July 2014, Joe had "reported the abuse to the church’s safeguarding officers". He sued the church in October 2015. The church paid £35,000 in compensation and called the abuse is "a matter of deep shame and regret".[47][48]

The review criticised the office of Justin Welby, the Archbishop of Canterbury. It said that Welby's office failed "to respond meaningfully to repeated efforts by the survivor throughout 2015 to bring his case to the church leader’s attention".[citation needed]

Speaking on behalf of the church, Sarah Mullally, Bishop of Crediton, said that Welby has made "a personal commitment to seeing all the recommendations implemented quickly". The eleven recommendations included (1) training clergy (especially those in senior positions) to keep records and take action for those who report abuse and (2) the church should insure that "pastoral care of survivors takes precedence over protection of reputation or financial considerations". Bishop Mullally "is drawing up an action plan to implement the report's proposals, covering education and training, communication and structural change".[47][48]
What has that to do with church grooming gangs? I asked Notch for some evidence, his answer was "Choir boys".
 
Ah, I see. You've no examples so you revert to silliness and gobbledegook. True to form.

Archdiocese of Southwark​

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  • In 2000, Father James Murphy of Glounthaune was sentenced to 30 months in prison after being convicted of sexually abusing altar boys in a London parish where he served 20 years prior.[257]
  • In 2002, Michael Hill, the former secretary to the Archdiocese of Southwark's Catholic Children Society who was previously convicted for sex abuse, received his second prison sentence for abuse he committed while serving in the Archdiocese of Southwark.[258]
  • In 2003, David Murphy, a former Edinburgh priest turned charity worker, was convicted of sex abusing various boys and girls at St Mary's Home in Gravesend, Kent.[259]
  • In 2015, Father Andrew McSweeney, who had also good ties to some local celebrities and even married Frank Bruno to his now ex-wife Laura, was sentenced to three years in prison for sexually abusing a 15-year-old boy and three counts of making indecent images of children.[260]

Diocese of Arundel and Brighton​

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Main article: Sexual abuse scandal in Arundel and Brighton diocese
In July 2000, the head of the Roman Catholic Church in England and Wales, Archbishop Cormac Murphy-O'Connor (later a cardinal), acknowledged he had made a mistake while he was Bishop of Arundel and Brighton in the 1980s by allowing a paedophile to carry on working as a priest. The priest at the centre of the controversy, Father Michael Hill, was jailed in 1997 for abusing nine boys over a 20-year period.[217]

Diocese of Plymouth​

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In 2007, former monks William Manahan OSB, the Father Prior of Buckfast Abbey Preparatory School, and Paul Couch were convicted of molesting boys in the school during the 1970s.[261][262]
 
It's maybe not organised grooming as such and isn't UK based, however for decades white men have targeted Asian girls in countries like Thailand etc.
Nothing to do with thread because they weren’t 'grooming' as a gang unless they were and the Thai authorities failed to take action against those men for fear of upsetting the white community in that country.
 

Archdiocese of Southwark​

[edit]
  • In 2000, Father James Murphy of Glounthaune was sentenced to 30 months in prison after being convicted of sexually abusing altar boys in a London parish where he served 20 years prior.[257]
  • In 2002, Michael Hill, the former secretary to the Archdiocese of Southwark's Catholic Children Society who was previously convicted for sex abuse, received his second prison sentence for abuse he committed while serving in the Archdiocese of Southwark.[258]
  • In 2003, David Murphy, a former Edinburgh priest turned charity worker, was convicted of sex abusing various boys and girls at St Mary's Home in Gravesend, Kent.[259]
  • In 2015, Father Andrew McSweeney, who had also good ties to some local celebrities and even married Frank Bruno to his now ex-wife Laura, was sentenced to three years in prison for sexually abusing a 15-year-old boy and three counts of making indecent images of children.[260]

Diocese of Arundel and Brighton​

[edit]
Main article: Sexual abuse scandal in Arundel and Brighton diocese
In July 2000, the head of the Roman Catholic Church in England and Wales, Archbishop Cormac Murphy-O'Connor (later a cardinal), acknowledged he had made a mistake while he was Bishop of Arundel and Brighton in the 1980s by allowing a paedophile to carry on working as a priest. The priest at the centre of the controversy, Father Michael Hill, was jailed in 1997 for abusing nine boys over a 20-year period.[217]

Diocese of Plymouth​

[edit]
In 2007, former monks William Manahan OSB, the Father Prior of Buckfast Abbey Preparatory School, and Paul Couch were convicted of molesting boys in the school during the 1970s.[261][262]
What has that to do with church grooming gangs? I asked Notch for some evidence, his answer was "Choir boys".
 

Diocese of Shrewsbury​

[edit]
In December 2012, staff at the Christian Brothers school St Ambrose College, Altrincham, were implicated in a child sex abuse case involving teaching staff carrying out alleged acts of abuse both on and off school grounds, although no current staff are said to be involved.[250] More than fifty former pupils contacted police, either as victims of, or witnesses to, sexual abuse. The alleged sexual abuse, including molestation of children while corporal punishment was administered, stemmed from 1962 onwards and continued over four decades.[251] Alan Morris, a Catholic deacon who also once served not only as a teacher at St. Ambrose, but also as the school's deputy head, was convicted in 2014 of 19 counts of sexual abuse he committed between 1972 and 1990 and was given a nine-year prison sentence.[252] An overall total of 47 indictments were issued, with at least 27 made public since Morris was convicted.[252]

Archdiocese of Liverpool​

[edit]
In December 2018, former Liverpool priest Francis William Simpson was convicted of sexually abusing four boys in front of their parents, one as young as seven.[253][254] In February 2019, Simpson was given a sentence of two years and two months in prison.[253]

Diocese of Leeds​

[edit]
On 1 December 2020, Diocese of Leeds priest Fr. Patrick Smythe faced four counts of indecent assault on four boys aged under 16 while he was serving the Catholic church in Leeds and Skipton between the years 1979 and 1983.[255] Symthe was investigated by West Yorkshire Police for these allegations.[255] He was set to make his first appearance at the Leeds Magistrates' Court on 16 December 2020.[255] In April 2022 he was convicted of sexually assaulting six boys and jailed for 7.5 years.[256]
What has that to do with church grooming gangs? I asked Notch for some evidence, his answer was "Choir boys".
 
Got any examples of these church gangs?
Why does the rape of hundreds of children have to be perpetrated by gangs, to be of concern? Why should these cases not be included in any enquiry into child abuse.
More fittingly, I've posted a few links to depraved baby raping white gangs also. Why do you think these gangs should be omitted from a child abuse enquiry?

Very weird.
 
Why does the rape of hundreds of children have to be perpetrated by gangs, to be of concern? Why should these cases not be included in any enquiry into child abuse.
More fittingly, I've posted a few links to depraved baby raping white gangs also. Why do you think these gangs should be omitted from a child abuse enquiry?

Very weird.
Were the authorities scared of being called racist if they investigated these gangs then? Would the 'white community' be up in arms if they were investigated?
 
Were the authorities scared of being called racist if they investigated these gangs then?
You mean investigated charged prosecuted and imprisoned, surely? Scared my arse.....
2010Razwan Razaq30Sexual activity with a child11 years[49]
2010Umar Razaq24Sexual activity with a child4 years, 6 months (later reduced on appeal)
2010Zafran Ramzan21Rape, sexual activity with a child9 years
2010Mohsin Khan21Sexual activity with a child4 years
2010Adil Hussain20Sexual activity with a child4 years
2016Qurban Ali53Conspiracy to rape10 years
2016Arshid Hussain40Rape, indecent assault (23 charges)35 years
2016Basharat Hussain39Rape (15 charges)25 years
2016Bannaras Hussain36Rape, indecent assault, actual bodily harm (10 charges)19 years
2016Karen MacGregor58False imprisonment, conspiracy to procure prostitutes13 years
2016Shelley Davies40False imprisonment, conspiracy to procure prostitutes18 months suspended
2016Sageer Hussain304 rapes, indecent assault19 years[50]
2016Basharat Hussain40Indecent assault7 years
2016Ishtiaq Khaliq33Rape, three indecent assaults17 years
2016Masoued Malik32Rape, false imprisonment, conspiracy to commit indecent assault15 years
2016Waleed Ali34Rape, indecent assault13 years
2016Asif Ali30Rape12 years
2016Naeem Rafiq33Conspiracy to commit indecent assault, false imprisonment8 years
2016Mohammed Whied32Aiding and abetting rape5 years
2017Basharat Dad32Rape, indecent assault, and false imprisonment20 years
2017Nasser Dad36Rape, false imprisonment, inciting gross indecency with a child14 years, 6 months
2017Tayab Dad34Rape10 years
2017Mohammed Sadiq41Sexual intercourse with a girl under 1313 years
2017Matloob Hussain42Sexual intercourse with a girl under 1313 years
2017Amjad Ali36Sexual intercourse with a girl under 1311 years
2017Zalgai Ahmadi45Conspiracy to commit sexual assault and false imprisonment9 years, 6 months
2017Sajid Ali38Seven counts of indecent assault7 years, 6 months
2017Zaheer Iqbal40Five counts of indecent assault7 years, 6 months
2017Riaz Makhmood39Three counts of indecent assault6 years, 9 months
2018Asghar Bostan47One count of rape9 years
2018Tony Chapman42Seventeen child sexual abuse offences25 years
2018Khurram Javed35One count of sexual assault2 years
2018Darren Hyett55One count of sexual activity with a child9 years
2019Mohammed Imran Ali Akhtar37One count of rape, one count of aiding and abetting rape, three counts of indecent assault, one count of procuring a girl under 21 to have unlawful sexual intercourse with another and count of sexual assault23 years
2018Nabeel Kurshid39Two counts of rape and one count of sexual assault19 years
2018Iqlak Yousaf34Two counts of rape and two counts of indecent assault20 years
2018Tanweer Ali37Two counts of rape, two counts of indecent assault and one count of false imprisonment14 years
2018Salah Ahmed El-Hakam39One count of rape15 years
2018Asif Ali33Two counts of indecent assaults10 years
2018Unnamed ManUnknownTwo counts of rapeunknown
2019Aftab Hussain40Two counts of indecent assault24 years
2019Abid Saddiq38Two counts of rape, four counts of indecent assault and two counts of child abduction20 years
2019Masaued Malik35Three counts of indecent assault5 years
2019Sharaz Hussain35Four counts of indecent assault4 years
2019Mohammed Ashen35Three counts of indecent assault18 years
2019Waseem Khaliq35Two counts of child abduction, three counts of witness intimidation and indecent assault13 years 9 months
2019Unnamed ManunknownTwo counts of indecent assaultunknown
2023Neil Cawton68Four counts of sexual activity with a child, four counts of engaging in sexual activity in the presence of a child, one count of assault of a child under 13 by penetration10 years
2023Ishtiaq Khaliq40One count of Indecent assault, one count of theft2 years
2023Mohammed Imran Ali Akhtar42Two counts of rape, two counts of indecent assault12 years
2024David Saynor7718 sexual offences against eight victims24 years
2024Adam Ali43Four counts of rape, three counts of sexual assault13 years
2024Neil King5117 offences against a girl21 years
2024Mohammed Amar42Two counts of indecent assault on a girl aged 1114 years
2024Mohammed Siyab44Two counts of rape and trafficking for sexual exploitation24 years
2024Mohammed Zameer Sadiq49Unlawful sexual intercourse with a girl under the age of 13 and rape15 years
2024Ramin Bari37Four counts of rape9 years
2024Tahir Yassin38Eight counts of rape13 years
2024Yasser Ajaibe39Indecent assault of a girl aged 116 years
2024Waleed Ali42Rape of a girl aged 145 years
2024Shahid Hussain48Indecent assault against girl aged 148 years and deportation

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Were the authorities scared of being called racist if they investigated these gangs then? Would the 'white community' be up in arms if they were investigated?

But you are talking about the situation fifteen years ago. These days, partly because of Keir Starmer, it is all out in the open and nobody is worried anymore about investigating CSE gangs, no matter which ethnic group is involved. What is it that you actually want a new inquiry to look at?
 
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