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We need more freight on rail. However, with the likely permanent changes in working practices due to CoVid - I suspect making the case for more rail infrastructure is going to be hard.
Restoring your railways
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The Exeter to Okehampton railway line never closed.
They just stopped running a regular passenger service on half of it
They just stopped running a regular passenger service on half of it
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Levelling Up?
All those northerners who voted Tory. Lovely Jubbly. I hope they can ponder on this when they are sitting in their cars in the latest traffic jam.
All those northerners who voted Tory. Lovely Jubbly. I hope they can ponder on this when they are sitting in their cars in the latest traffic jam.
North to be given pie instead | The Daily Mash
THE North has seen all plans for upgrades for rail travel scrapped but is instead to be given a lovely hot meat pie.
The government has cancelled the Leeds leg of the East-Midlands HS2 rail link and transferred all Northern Powerhouse rail funding to London which needs it more, but has pledged up to £35 for a pie with a golden, flaky crust.
Transport minister Grant Shapps said: “We’re not talking about some fancy Southern pie with herbs and nonsense in it. Just a good, old-fashioned tasty pie.
“And that’s not all. There’s a lovely jug of gravy to go with it, and proper chips fried in lard, and mushy peas. Because we know what you want.
“Who wants to get the train south, anyway? There’s nothing down there for honest, straight-talking folk, just poofs who wear coats in winter. And Lord knows it wouldn’t get any use coming the other way.
“A train link by 2040? Northerners haven’t got the life expectancy for that. Why fuss over nothing when this pie’s sitting here waiting for you after your long day down the cotton mills? And it’s all on the Tories. You like us now.”
Bill McKay of Bolton said: “I knew a man went to London. The trains were packed, cost a fortune and every bugger on them was listening to podcasts. You know where you are with a pie.”
THE North has seen all plans for upgrades for rail travel scrapped but is instead to be given a lovely hot meat pie.
The government has cancelled the Leeds leg of the East-Midlands HS2 rail link and transferred all Northern Powerhouse rail funding to London which needs it more, but has pledged up to £35 for a pie with a golden, flaky crust.
Transport minister Grant Shapps said: “We’re not talking about some fancy Southern pie with herbs and nonsense in it. Just a good, old-fashioned tasty pie.
“And that’s not all. There’s a lovely jug of gravy to go with it, and proper chips fried in lard, and mushy peas. Because we know what you want.
“Who wants to get the train south, anyway? There’s nothing down there for honest, straight-talking folk, just poofs who wear coats in winter. And Lord knows it wouldn’t get any use coming the other way.
“A train link by 2040? Northerners haven’t got the life expectancy for that. Why fuss over nothing when this pie’s sitting here waiting for you after your long day down the cotton mills? And it’s all on the Tories. You like us now.”
Bill McKay of Bolton said: “I knew a man went to London. The trains were packed, cost a fortune and every bugger on them was listening to podcasts. You know where you are with a pie.”
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Rail engineer/consultant on WATO a few minutes ago. He made it abundantly clear that you can increase capacity or you can increase speed. You cannot do both with the same tracks. Capacity means more 'choo-choo'* services which stop at 'Whippet's Drift' and all stops to Leeds; and that capacity is absent at the mo, because of the gapping needed for the existing fast 'inter-city' trains to go through. Higher speeds means more gapping = fewer commuter services. Ah, you say, there will be passing loops. Our man reckons passing loops just make pinch points where they join the older track. What Shapps said was, 'a mistruth', as he put it.
*Arriva Trains round here
*Arriva Trains round here
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I seem to have heard every Labour transport spokesman for the past 40 years say this, but for the most part it simply isn't feasible. What kills it is that we are a relatively small country combined with the fact that transhipment costs are the killer. Rail works well for bulk loads (e.g. oil, stone, sand and aggregates, steel coil and even cars) but there is only a limited volume of such loads and rail freight is really inefficient when it comes to masses of small items from many sources to many delivery points (like packages). I agree that we could do with zoning businesses such as timber merchants, large scale manufacturers, etc into atreas where a rail connecvtion can be put in for deliveries, but I think the only way you'll get freight off the roads and onto railway ius to make the cost od long distance road haulage prohibitive
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They have promised money to improve services - from first hand experience the problem is that the Trans Pennine route lacks capacity at both Leeds and Manchester stations and on the tracks in-between. There are only so many trains you can funnel along a 2-track main line which has restrictive tunnels, etc. and where you have fast trains trying to share those 2 tracks with local stopping services
And I think you can guess which way I didn't vote
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This has been the issue with both the West Coast and East Coast main lines where smaller stations were closed years ago as they clogged up the route for fast trains. If they attempt that on the Trans Pennine routes the road congestion which will result from it will be truly horrendous
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It will never provide the same level of convenience but, it can get close.
Ultra-frequent services at subsidised prices will go a long way to get it there.
Will that ever happen?
Levelling up, ha ha HAaaa.
Just another rebrand of false promises.
Just another rebrand of false promises.
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No. Because we aren't Germany or the Netherlands
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The real policy is punching down.
Quick find some benefits cheats - Mps?,, No not them real benefit cheats? The companies defrauding Furlough and Eat out To Help out? No not them, The companies taking on the loans? No, Not them real benefit cheats..
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40 New Hospitals - lie
Extra Nurses - Lie
Extra GPs - lie
How do they keep getting away with these lies?
Extra Nurses - Lie
Extra GPs - lie
How do they keep getting away with these lies?
i dont have a problem with boris lying as he has always been a self serving egotistical misogynist with no respect or care for others 'he plays by his own rules and will never answer a question honestly
he is highly intelligent and plays to whatever audience he is talking to or aiming at with zero intention off doing what he says unless its to his favour apart from that he is a reliable chap
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"The German expression was coined by Adolf Hitler, when he dictated his 1925 book Mein Kampf, to describe the use of a lie so colossal that no one would believe that someone 'could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously.' "
So all they are doing is following the lead of their spiritual leader - Maggie T. Or Donald Trump
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