Safety of Rwanda (Asylum and Immigration) Draft Bill

[Notch7]

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156,455 applicants for France.

How many people do we grant protection to?

www.gov.uk

97390 applicants to the UK - ignoring the 154,254 who came via legal routes
156,455
What is so hard to understand? 97390 *3 ≠ 156,455

She didn't even need to say it. She could have said France receives more.

so You admit whichever stats from whichever year, France take considerably more.

so her point is still valid


Youve done the usual dishonest debating technique of taking one specific point, but if you look at her comments in the round, they add up to a cohesive argument.

 

[noseall]

So now you understand why I said it would get stuck, because its not a manifesto pledge.

You mean 'could', surely?

Your manifesto angle is amongst a list of irrelevant cudda shudda wudda reasons. Do you want pointlessly to go through them?

The bill will not get through because ministers are not going to vote for it. Is that clear enough for you?

 

[carmanmemoranda]

As I said in this thread. The right approach would have been to lease some land from Rwanda and strike an agreement that its a British overseas territory and create an off-shore processing centre. The Australian model.

That could be done much more local and for less expense than inventing Rwanda as a BOT.

But it's not what they want.

They want to be able to blame others. This time its the lefty lawyers, or international law. Anybody as long as its not those actually responsible

 

[JohnD]

The right approach

A lunatic scheme does not have a "right approach"

 

[noseall]

This is why the comment on it not being a manifesto pledge is key.

No. It's irrelevant.

 

[Mottie]

Useless Tory scum.

We can’t wait for those hard working Labour ne'er do wrong grafters to get in. Everything will be hunky dory once more….

 

[Notch7]

We can’t wait for those hard working Labour ne'er do wrong grafters to get in. Everything will be hunky dory once more….

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Labour govt 1997 to 2010

lower child poverty
lower pensioner poverty
sure start
more nurses
more police
more teachers
investment in new hospitals
steady growth
lowest NHS waiting lists in history
GP appointments in 48 hours instead of 3 weeks now

Tory govt 2010 to 2023

huge rise in inequality
rise in child poverty
1 in 10 children suffering food poverty
4 million in food poverty
rise in pensioner poverty
6 million suffering fuel poverty
8 million on NHS waiting lists
40% cuts to criminal justice system
prisons too full to take new prisoners
oh and Tories inflicted Brexit making the country sh1t on top of everything else

UK now has an £8,300 living standards gap with similar countries including France and Germany


and yet here is Mottie screaming: “things will be worse under Labour”

Britain needs a new economic strategy to end its stagnation and close its £8,300 living standards gap with its peers • Resolution Foundation

www.resolutionfoundation.org

 

[Mottie]

Labour govt 1997 to 2010

lower child poverty
lower pensioner poverty
sure start
more nurses
more police
more teachers
investment in new hospitals
steady growth
lowest NHS waiting lists in history
GP appointments in 48 hours instead of 3 weeks now

Tory govt 2010 to 2023

huge rise in inequality
rise in child poverty
1 in 10 children suffering food poverty
4 million in food poverty
rise in pensioner poverty
6 million suffering fuel poverty
8 million on NHS waiting lists
40% cuts to criminal justice system
prisons too full to take new prisoners
oh and Tories inflicted Brexit making the country sh1t on top of everything else

UK now has an £8,300 living standards gap with similar countries including France and Germany


and yet here is Mottie screaming: “things will be worse under Labour”

Britain needs a new economic strategy to end its stagnation and close its £8,300 living standards gap with its peers • Resolution Foundation

www.resolutionfoundation.org

Like I said, we can’t wait to get back to those good ol' days. Kier will make it all good for everyone, won't he?

 

[carmanmemoranda]

It's the typical unthinking scare tactic that so many fall for, and then promote.

"Boy it's bad now, but they will be worse."

Just not backed by facts. Experience tells you that a change is better than getting worse.

 

[Notch7]

Like I said, we can’t wait to get back to those good ol' days.

Why not, France, Germany and most other advanced Western countries are enjoying those “good old days”

Why does the UK have to suffer such huge inequality, we don’t need right wing governments constantly doing stuff to make their mates richer

This country has to break the right wing media that brainwashes the public into voting against their best interests



It will be much harder for Labour this time because of the damage the last 13 years of Conservative government.

 

[Mottie]

It will be much harder for Labour this time because of the damage the last 13 years of Conservative government.

Ah, here come the pre-excuses. Any more?

 

[JonathanM]

I always thought Tony Blair had a very good instinct about just how far to the left the UK people were willing to go. The Iraq war was a disaster, not just for the obvious reasons, but because it destroyed his authority to rein in Gordon Brown's worst excesses. If it wasn't for that, he could have sacked Brown and his cronies in the middle of the second term. I think that would all have led to a much happier country than we have today.

 

[Notch7]

It's the typical unthinking scare tactic that so many fall for, and then promote.

"Boy it's bad now, but they will be worse."

Just not backed by facts. Experience tells you that a change is better than getting worse.

It’s just political tribalism.

”it doesn’t matter how bad my team are, the other team are always worse”

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Ah, here come the pre-excuses. Any more?

You do accept then, that the only people the Tories can blame, are the Tories?

Both sides blaming the Tories, does that not tell you something?

 

[Notch7]

Ah, here come the pre-excuses. Any more?

it is just simple fact.

public services are broken, yet Jeremy Hunt has put through a budget making £18b of budget cuts

oh and then there’s the £70 b of tax rises put through by this govt…covering until end of decade

oh and there’s the massive cost of debt repayment

oh and then there’s 8 million of NHS waiting lists


but Mottie doesn’t like facts……which explains why he still thinks brexyshambles is still great.