Safety of Rwanda (Asylum and Immigration) Draft Bill

[motorbiking]

Good to see you read it.

So now you understand why I said it would get stuck, because its not a manifesto pledge.

Yes an existing BOT would have worked by I suspect the locals would object. Herm perhaps? With Rwanda at least they seem to be up for it. And it would be a time limited lease. Hong Kong style.

 

[Roy Bloom]

Statistics - Asylum Information Database | European Council on Refugees and Exiles

Overview of statistical practice In France, detailed statistics on asylum applications and first instance decisions are published annually by the Office of Protection of Refugees and Stateless Persons (OFPRA) in its activity reports. The next OFPRA Activity Report will be published in spring...

asylumineurope.org

156,455 applicants for France.

How many people do we grant protection to?

www.gov.uk

97390 applicants to the UK - ignoring the 154,254 who came via legal routes
156,455
What is so hard to understand? 97390 *3 ≠ 156,455

She didn't even need to say it. She could have said France receives more.

The questin was in reference to boat arrivals, or more specifically to those waiting in Calais.
Do I need to present the question put to Zoe, yet again.
She didn't answer your (with hindsight) question, she was responding to the question she was asked, not the question she wasn't asked.
Your (with hindsight) question was created in a vain attempt to claim she was wrong.

 

[motorbiking]

Not what she posted on twitter. She is wrong
.

This is wrong.

 

[gant]

The questin was in reference to boat arrivala,
.

French then Italian, cool.

 

[Roy Bloom]

Good to see you read it.
So now you understand why I said it would get stuck, because its not a manifesto pledge.

it looks like you didn't read my response.
Do I need to repeat it?
It's for the Lords to decide whether to respect the Convention, The HofC cannot insist on it's application.
It can be ignored if a Party so decides, and the definition of 'wrecking' amendments is open to interpretation.

Yes an existing BOT would have worked by I suspect the local would object. With Rwanda at least they seem to be up for it. And it would be a time limited lease. Hong Kong style.

No-one has asked if they would be up for it. I suspect 'the locals' would view it as a beginning of a new colonial era.
They have vivid and unpleasant memories of past colonial rule.

 

[Roy Bloom]

Not what she posted on twitter. She is wrong
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This is wrong.

Good God, do we have to keep going round in the same circles?!!!!
Applications to France 115,000
Applications to UK 40,000.
That's as good as 3 X that you're ever going to get.

 

[motorbiking]

it looks like you didn't read my response.
Do I need to repeat it?
It's for the Lords to decide whether to respect the Convention, The HofC cannot insist on it's application.
It can be ignored if a Party so decides, and the definition of 'wrecking' amendments is open to interpretation.

Correct, something they have not failed to do for almost 80 years.

 

[motorbiking]

Good God, do we have to keep going round in the same circles?!!!!
Applications to France 115,000
Applications to UK 40,000.
That's as good as 3 X that you're ever going to get.

wrong. I've given you the data

 

[Roy Bloom]

French then Italian, cool.

The questin was in reference to boat arrivala, or more specifically to those waiting in Calais.
Do I need to present the question put to Zoe, yet again.
She didn't answer your (with hindsight) question, she was responding to the question she was asked, not the question she wasn't asked.
Your (with hindsight) question was created in a vain attempt to claim she was wrong.

They're not waiting in Calais for a boat to Italy.
Is it silly season today?

 

[motorbiking]

It is if you make up numbers..

 

[Notch7]

As I said in this thread. The right approach would have been to lease some land from Rwanda and strike an agreement that it’s a British overseas territory and create an off-shore processing centre. The Australian model.

A British overseas territory in Uganda…..or as we used to call it colonialism


Do you support the treatment of refugees on Nauru?
Is this the country you want the United Kingdom to be?

Its costing the Australian govt a fortune to mistreat people so badly.
a bargain at $22 million per person

Australia: Appalling abuse, neglect of refugees on Nauru​

NOTE: Journalists and editors seeking broadcast-quality B-roll and images from the investigation on Nauru, please CLICK HERE.

Around 1,200 men, women, and children who sought refuge in Australia and were forcibly transferred to the remote Pacific island nation of Nauru suffer severe abuse, inhumane treatment, and neglect, Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International said today.

The Australian government’s failure to address serious abuses appears to be a deliberate policy to deter further asylum seekers from arriving in the country by boat. Refugees and asylum seekers on Nauru, most of whom have been held there for three years, routinely face neglect by health workers and other service providers who have been hired by the Australian government, as well as frequent unpunished assaults by local Nauruans.

They endure unnecessary delays and at times denial of medical care, even for life-threatening conditions. Many have dire mental health problems and suffer overwhelming despair—self-harm and suicide attempts are frequent. All face prolonged uncertainty about their future

Australia: Appalling abuse, neglect of refugees on Nauru

About 1,200 men, women, and children who sought refuge in Australia and were forcibly transferred to the remote Pacific island nation of Nauru suffer severe abuse, inhumane treatment, and neglect, Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International said today.

www.amnesty.org

Nauru offshore processing to cost Australian taxpayers $485m despite only 22 asylum seekers remaining

Home affairs department officials dispute suggestions this year’s cost amounts to $22m a person

www.theguardian.com

 

[Roy Bloom]

Correct,

So it's not a binding Convention.
It's at the Lords discretion to respect it or not.

 

[Roy Bloom]

wrong. I've given you the data

You've provided the data for a different question, not the one she was asked.
Evidently I do need to remind you what question she was asked.

Zoe Gardner explains it slowly, eloquently and succintly.
The question was, "of the asylum seekers in Calais, why do they not claim in France, italy, Spain or Greece?

Now you can continue to argue that her figures do not match your figures.
Yet you obviously fail to understand that your figures would be a response to a different question, one she was not asked.

You can't argue that she was wrong because she did not answer a question that she was not asked.

 

[gant]

They're not waiting in Calais for a boat to Italy.
Is it silly season today?

Touchy? Simmer down on that keyboard your spellings atrocious. Lol

 

[Roy Bloom]

Touchy? Simmer down on that keyboard your spellings atrocious. Lol

When fools keep making the same irrelevant and incorrect comments time, and time., and time again, it becomes a bit annoying.

I've try to gantish learn spoken as do you.
I think I'm getting the hang of it.