Sinn Fein members elected to Westminster

All a bit much for you carman do yourself a favour and have an early night.
You'll be able sit all day long next week on here giving us your riveting question and answer sessions.
 
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It would be good if Sinn Fein were to take their seats in Westminster.

Whatever the horrors of the past, the only way forward is to move the debate into politics.

The problem I see is that both Unionists and Sinn Fein political parties have links to paramilitaries (not sure is correct term)
 
Interesting that both mobs are avoiding the democratic process.
 
He was very much on the mark how history is crafted.
So many examples of that happening in the hands of the wokists modern day.

You think that Putin is a wokist?

Netanyahu?
 
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All a bit much for you carman do yourself a favour and have an early night.
You'll be able sit all day long next week on here giving us your riveting question and answer sessions.
Do you have skin in the debate, or don't you?

If so, give us your version of Irelands history. It's quite simple to do, just try it.

If not, what are you trying to say, and why?
 
Vinty has been hopping from one foot to the other.

He claimed that NI was in UK prior to it being designated as NI.
You can't stop talking crap can you.
I said that the 6 counties that make up N.I. were in the UK before partition and were still in the UK after partition.
In that sense nothing changed.
Ireland is an Island inhabited by different peoples.
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Then he admitted to making his own version of history.
You must be the most dishonest person ever on this forum.
You deliberately twist what people write .
I said that history is a craft and not a science and as such a person can have or craft their own version of history.
I never said that I made my own version of history.
Anything I have quoted is supported by mainstream historical sources.
 
Interesting that both mobs are avoiding the democratic process.
What democratic process?
The N.I. protocol was imposed without the consent of the people who are affected most by it.
 
It would be good if Sinn Fein were to take their seats in Westminster.

Whatever the horrors of the past, the only way forward is to move the debate into politics.

The problem I see is that both Unionists and Sinn Fein political parties have links to paramilitaries (not sure is correct term)
Irish republicans will never swear an oath of allegiance to King C. or his heirs, prohibiting any chance they'll ever take a seat in the HoC. They tend to view the past through a prism of revenge and sentiment which tries very hard to ignore Irish misrule and division based upon a mixture of superstition and tradition. Ulster has always been a province apart from the main body in Irish politics and cannot go back to a mythical age where a united Ireland was a political reality.
 
The other problem is that Ireland doesn't really want the pesky Unionists, any more than GB does.
 
Irish republicans will never swear an oath of allegiance to King C. or his heirs, prohibiting any chance they'll ever take a seat in the HoC. They tend to view the past through a prism of revenge and sentiment which tries very hard to ignore Irish misrule and division based upon a mixture of superstition and tradition. Ulster has always been a province apart from the main body in Irish politics and cannot go back to a mythical age where a united Ireland was a political reality.
I agree that Ulster was always culturally and politically different to the rest of Ireland. Just like Scotland, Wales and England are and were culturally and politicially different. That alone did not prevent their union, albeit, they had little option.

Here's an excellent piece written by a professor at Rochester Uni. Admittedly written a couple of years ago, and maybe out-of-date now.
And a couple of relevant quotes from that article:
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Ulster has always been, in some ways, culturally distinct from the rest of Ireland, even before the Protestant Reformation.
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The event known as the Flight of the Earls—when Gaelic lords of Ulster fled in 1607—left the region open and vulnerable to English and Scottish settlement. Under the Stuart monarchs, starting with James I, land ownership in Ulster was transferred from native Ulster Catholics to mostly Scottish Presbyterians, as well as some English Protestants, over the course of the 17th century.
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In December 1921, the British reconciled themselves to the nationalists’ demands and created an Irish Free State in the 26 counties of the south.
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They set themselves up for trouble right away with the way the border was drawn. The expectation at the time was that Northern Ireland would be left with the Protestant majority parts of Ulster, which only would have been four of the nine traditional counties. The thinking was that the area would simply be too small a state to be viable and that Northern Ireland would therefore eventually have to reconcile itself to inclusion within the Irish Free State. But the Irish Boundary Commission, established in the treaty ending the Anglo–Irish War, ultimately included six of the nine counties of Ulster within Northern Ireland, and that left a lot of nationalist areas like Tyrone, Fermanagh, and Omagh, all of which were Catholic-majority areas, stranded in Northern Ireland.
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It resulted in a resentful Catholic minority within Northern Ireland.
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Northern Ireland’s response to having an unreconciled, unhappy, large Catholic minority in their midst, was essentially to create a Protestant unionist one-party state, which governed with a heavy hand, to say the least. The Ulster Unionist Party in Northern Ireland wrote into law rampant discrimination against Catholics—in housing, employment, education, and job opportunities.
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Brexit takes Northern Ireland out of the European Union and leaves the Republic of Ireland in the European Union, drawing a stark distinction and difference between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland. It defies the whole spirit of the Good Friday Agreement, the power-sharing agreement that ended the Troubles, in 1998, and tended to diminish the distinctions between north and south.

Brexit has also activated a historic sense of betrayal on the part of the Northern Irish against Britain.
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Do you think Ireland will ever be united again?

Before Brexit, I would have said, “yes.” There was a kind of momentum and there seemed to be a will for reunification.
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But then Brexit happened. Brexit, of course, doesn’t just present a challenge to the Irish and to the status of Northern Ireland in the United Kingdom. It is also deeply unpopular in Scotland, where it has renewed calls for a second referendum on independence. Ultimately, Brexit could implode the entire union of the United Kingdom. We’ll see.
 
What democratic process?
The N.I. protocol was imposed without the consent of the people who are affected most by it.
No one gives a shît about traitorous Brexers in Ireland. Thankfully, our friends across the Irish Sea, can where their bread us buttered.
 
The Unionist Party in Northern Ireland wrote into law rampant discrimination against Catholics—in housing, employment, education, and job opportunities.
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Does this clown you quote give any evidence to support his claims, or is he just regurgitating nonsense he has read on the internet.
 
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No one gives a shît about traitorous Brexers in Ireland. Thankfully, our friends across the Irish Sea, can where their bread us buttered.
They don't give a **** about remainers either.
 
They don't care about the majority in NI?

Hardly a shining example of representative democracy.

Just as well they aren't doing their job.
 
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