Some heros. H&S madness.

[Shytalkz]

In an audit-led world anything can be made to appear to be too dangerous. That's the "beauty" of risk assessments...

 

[sooey]

Yeah, but they were in the real world in a real situation with a real man possibly dying within feet of them. That firechief needs to be asked some serious questions, just before he gets booted down the road. Not that that will happen of course.

 

[wotan]

It appears the era of calculated risk and common sense, has been overtaken by health and safety.
In my opinion when there is a chance of saving a human life, and back up is there, then, the calculated risk should prevail.
I wonder what would have happened had it been the son, or daughter of the firechief who needed the help?

Wotan

 

[Nige F]

Around 1904 a local Bobby was commended for stopping a runaway horse in a busy street. That was my Great-Grandfather. Still a lot of stables around here now, wonder how they would do it today

 

[namsag]

Un feking believable , what happened to common sense or one of the guys disobeying the order and getting in there.
are they going to stop attending fires in case they are hot

 

[Inky Pete]

The guy had been hit by a car and had been face down in the water for almost an hour by the time the fire brigade arrived.

There's no way on earth he was alive - unconcious he'd have drowned within the first 2 minutes.

So it was always a body recovery operation and never a rescue. No point risking more lives by going in gung ho when there's no rush.

 

[gremlin16]

Local inshore lifeboat get a call to attend a cruiser at drift with engine fire. ( approx 2 miles out to sea)

As its a marine fire, they have to be assisted by 2 local the fire crew.

When they get along side the cruiser the firemen said they cant go on board, due to H&S regulations

One of the crew jumped on to the cruiser and fought the fire with a couple of extinguisher. Then with out hesitating tied a marker buoy on the warm Lpg bottle and chucked it overboard. The cruiser was eventually recovered by an offshore Rnli crew.

2 days later the crew get disciplined for boarding the cruiser, and for taking the fire crew out.

Makes you wonder why they bother going out at all.

Oh' the thick boat owner and a blonde bimbo had got on to their tender and made it to shore, not bothering to drop anchor. So not only had they left the boat on fire, they had left it drifting.

 

[Johnmelad502]

The guy had been hit by a car and had been face down in the water for almost an hour by the time the fire brigade arrived.

There's no way on earth he was alive - unconcious he'd have drowned within the first 2 minutes.

So it was always a body recovery operation and never a rescue. No point risking more lives by going in gung ho when there's no rush.

You don't know that, he might have been hanging on to somthing and only lost conciousness seconds before the cowardly FB turned up.

You can't say someone is dead just by looking at them.

 

[snico]

The guy had been hit by a car and had been face down in the water for almost an hour by the time the fire brigade arrived.

There's no way on earth he was alive - unconcious he'd have drowned within the first 2 minutes.

So it was always a body recovery operation and never a rescue. No point risking more lives by going in gung ho when there's no rush.

You don't know that, he might have been hanging on to somthing and only lost conciousness seconds before the cowardly FB turned up.

You can't say someone is dead just by looking at them.

Do you work for the emergency services?

 

[ajstoneservices]

Do you think the torrent of water may have played a small part in preventing an amputation.

I'm sure they know at least as much as you about hypothermia.

Chop his leg off with an axe, yes i could, he may not feel it with the cold,if he did, tough s**t the shock comes next, then the handshake, i would of put a rope round the bottom of is leg, and snatched him out, wether he liked it or not, he would still shake my hand.

libby lou took an axe and gave her victim forty whacks, when she saw what she had done, she ask the crowd for a burger bun

 

[ajstoneservices]

The guy had been hit by a car and had been face down in the water for almost an hour by the time the fire brigade arrived.

There's no way on earth he was alive - unconcious he'd have drowned within the first 2 minutes.

So it was always a body recovery operation and never a rescue. No point risking more lives by going in gung ho when there's no rush.

You don't know that, he might have been hanging on to somthing and only lost conciousness seconds before the cowardly FB turned up.

You can't say someone is dead just by looking at them.

Idiot

 

[ajstoneservices]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/edinburgh_and_east/8146695.stm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1568271/Four-firemen-killed-by-arsonists.html

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article2796408.ece

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...rs-killed-rescuing-men-from-blaze-553887.html

There is a very long list of "cowards" in our emergency services.

 

[Inky Pete]

The guy had been hit by a car and had been face down in the water for almost an hour by the time the fire brigade arrived.

There's no way on earth he was alive - unconcious he'd have drowned within the first 2 minutes.

So it was always a body recovery operation and never a rescue. No point risking more lives by going in gung ho when there's no rush.

You don't know that.

Since neither of us were there - neither do you.

I'm sure that if there had been any signs of life or movement from the casualty then the fire brigade would have done everything they could to mount a rescue.

The senior officer on scene assessed the risks vs. the possible benefits and made his decision based on the information available to him at the time. That's what he's trained and paid for.

Armchair second guessing is easy, ordering people into danger and carrying the responsibility for those decisions isn't.

 

[sooey]

Armchair second guessing is easy, ordering people into danger and carrying the responsibility for those decisions isn't.

Like I said, how is tying a rope round somebody and lowering them down a bank into a stream dangerous?

 

[namsag]

You ever had a rope burn .....it nips for days afterwards