Someone is trying to start a war in the Ukraine, It's NOT Russia (edit: yes it is)

[Odds]

I notice the MSM is calling Kiev Kyiv.

Wonder who decides this nonsense?

I wondered that, too, and apparently Ukrainians decided it for themselves.

How to pronounce and spell ‘Kyiv’, and why it matters | Ukraine | The Guardian

I'm looking for a symbolic tradition of the gesture made by a Ukrainian woman who gave sunflower seeds to Russian soldiers:

Ukrainian woman offers seeds to Russian soldiers so 'sunflowers grow when they die' – video | World news | The Guardian

And wonder if they gave German soldiers the same seeds for the same reason.
I first read of this in Guy Sajer's autobiographical account of his time in Russia during 1943 when he and his comrades called them 'Russian chocolates', appearing to be ignorant of the meaning behind them.

 

[Odds]

No they're not, he'd have stayed in Germany last week if he was that way inclined. He's in Kyiv tonight urging the citizens to fight on.
What the *** is wrong with you?, what is your purpose?

I think he's likely to go down fighting, or at least go down with his government.
What kind of future will he have?

I only hope he tells the Russians to go f*** themselves.

 

[ellal]

I wondered that, too, and apparently Ukrainians decided it for themselves.

And so they should...

In the same way as in India they have removed some of the colonial nomenclature.
Bombay reverting back to Mumbai for example.

If it wasn't native choice we'd still be saying Londinium or Lundenburh instead of London.

The French call it Londres.

And have you ever tried to find Florence on an Italian map?

 

[Odds]

And so they should...

In the same way as in India they have removed some of the colonial nomenclature.
Bombay reverting back to Mumbai for example.

If it wasn't native choice we'd still be saying Londinium or Lundenburh instead of London.

The French call it Londres.

And have you ever tried to find Florence on an Italian map?

Fair Firenze; it Rocks, apparently.

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It's one of those cities i've always wanted to visit yet still haven't got round to it.
Someday, maybe, i'd like to walk through some of their spectacular gardens.

 

[fillyboy]

Zelensky offered US evacuation flight but refuses to leave Kyiv: ‘I need ammunition, not a ride’ (msn.com)

Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky has turned down the US government’s request to evacuate capital city Kyiv as it came under Russian attack.

Russia has waged war against Ukraine for three days now. On Saturday morning, heavy street fighting against Russian troops was underway in Kyiv as officials urged locals to take immediate shelter.

When the president was asked to evacuate at the behest of the United States government, he refused and said that he needed weapons to fight back, according to a senior US intelligence official.

“The fight is here; I need ammunition, not a ride,” Mr Zelensky is believed to have said.

The Ukrainian president has periodically released visuals addressing his citizens to assure them that he is not leaving his country.

The latest video released on Saturday showed Mr Zelensky standing in front of the “Chimeras house” across from the presidential office after surviving another night of assaults from Russia.

“Good morning everybody. Do not believe fake news. I am here,” Mr Zelensky said. “We will not lay down our weapons. We will defend our country. Our weapons are our strength. This is our land. Our country. Our children. We will protect all of them.”

 

[Deleted member 18243]

And so they should...

I was referring to British news reporters calling it Kyiv. Natives of Kiev should call it whatever it is in their language, but in our language it's Kiev, same as Mumbai is Bombay and Bejing is Peking.

 

[JohnD]

I notice the MSM is calling Kiev Kyiv.

Wonder who decides this nonsense?

I'm 100% sure it's not you.

Even though you feel impelled to lay down the law.

 

[Notch7]

I was referring to British news reporters calling it Kyiv. Natives of Kiev should call it whatever it is in their language, but in our language it's Kiev, same as Mumbai is Bombay and Bejing is Peking.

And what do you call Sri Lanka

or Zimbabwe

 

[The Samaritan]

And here he is on the streets of Kyiv tonight, vowing to fight on and urging citizens to fight on, the guy is a hero.

Seriously, WTF is wrong with you and the false 'info' you're so determined to put out.

Again you posted an edited version of my post without the link from a Ukrainian paper that supports Ukraine.
You are seriously nasty and malicious and chose to ignore the news reports links from a respected source in Ukraine that supports the President.
It's not the first time you have done this. Just shows you are nasty and weak and it is you that is indeed spreading "misinformation."

You are a troll mate and you know it, seriously!

 

[ajohn]

Israel don't have nuclear weapons John.

World powers would disagree with you. Take a look at the wiki page on this particular subject. A conspiracy theory that very probably isn't.

And here he is on the streets of Kyiv tonight, vowing to fight on and urging citizens to fight on, the guy is a hero.

Even some youtubers use blue screen. Fact of life people can appear to be where ever they like.

One aspect of all of this does seem to be real. Larger antiwar protests demo's in Russia. They seem to manage with very few police though

 

[The Samaritan]

Speaking to a source in China, it looks although they will mediate a ceasefire whenever that is

Putin has not yet attacked the infrastructure of Ukraine hence electric, gas, water, sewers, internet etc largely up and running. He has done this in the hope to put a puppet regime there. However, I fear that if things get bogged down he may hit turn the lights off etc. Sure, bombs/missiles do take out underground cables and there will be cuts.

As stated by me about 48 hours ago credit to this leader for not running away as the USA offered him a ride out. He refused and asked for ammunition. USA and 3 others agreed to 1 billion packages 600 mill from usa alone but how the heck will they get the amo to them no one has raised that question.

I was going to post a three min video of Ukraine troops/people shooting at a Russian convoy in a city you must have seen pics of the truck and the small tank hitting a car - those trucks etc were being fired on and Russians lay on the grass injured next to the truck - it a horrendous video of what war is.

Reports of Russian soldiers again they wont told there was going to be a war but thought they were on an "exercise."

This fighting could easily be stopped right now if those close to putin or others that are against him remove him from power. Then there could be a negotiated peace inc the Donbas region where 14k people were killed since 2014.

PS: Remove Putins side kick as well I dont know the blokes name but he has been around since putin

 

[Deleted member 292770]

Speaking to a source in China,

Dai Ling Ping isn’t Chinese you plum.

 

[The Samaritan]

World powers would disagree with you. Take a look at the wiki page on this particular subject. A conspiracy theory that very probably isn't.


Even some youtubers use blue screen. Fact of life people can appear to be where ever they like.

One aspect of all of this does seem to be real. Larger antiwar protests demo's in Russia. They seem to manage with very few police though

Both sides will exaggerate figures like all countries and that is a fact.

You may recall the Iraq war we had thousands of people on the street anti war but in Russia, it is more difficult but you will always get opposition.

Ukriane claims to have killed 3500 Russian troops I hope not as that is a lot of young men used by Putin = The ordinary Ukrianes/Russians are suffering while Putin sits in a palace as does its cronies

NB: The west needs to put 100% sanctions on Putin, his side kick and the oligarchs, the oligarch's cronies and the cronies, cronies. This is a group
of about 12 thous cronies and those at the bottom of the food chain are worth about 2 million sterling and they love visisitng London, USA, Paris etc and if these people were too restricted, this will build up more resentment on Putin.

Re NATO. IMO we need to leave NATO as there are too many countries in it and I'm sure if France or anyone else wanted to try it on England we could look after ourselves - A bit like leaving the EU IMO.

Thanks for agreeing

 

[ajohn]

I was referring to British news reporters calling it Kyiv. Natives of Kiev should call it whatever it is in their language, but in our language it's Kiev, same as Mumbai is Bombay and Bejing is Peking.

It's rather hard to be sure how it should be said. Best option would be to hear a Ukrainian saying the word and a Russian hoping one or the other wasn't distorting it.

This is the problem Київ when spoken may not even have a K sound at the start. It has a sort of kaa sound as does another letter in the alhabet.. Another example a w in german can have a v sound. When letters are joined up it gets even worse. This page plays the Russian alphabet but as with english there will be regional variations
,https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_alphabet

This one Ukrainian
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_alphabet

K is still ka. There isn't a direct translation into english.

 

[Deleted member 18243]

It's rather hard to be sure how it should be said. ...
This is the problem Київ when spoken may not even have a K sound at the start.

The pronunciation of Kiev has never been a problem in Britain; it's a well known word - the dish Chicken Kiev is a popular dish for instance.

The problem is that somebody has decided to spell it differently all of a sudden. This will have been a policy decision.

I urge people not to go along with these seemingly inconsequential changes.