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I aint Joe and neither dangermouse. Personally, Im neither dangermouse's uncle or brother aswell. :rolleyes:

I do post as Ban All Sheds if that makes you happy. :D
 
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Hey Joe, bet you wish you hadn't asked the question now don't ya :LOL:
 
After reading donks post and looking back on the abuse Joe-90 gave him, Im of the opinion Joe is a belligerent hypocrite.

I suspect Joe is an alcoholic too, who, IMHO likes to annoy people. As for his girlfriends reckless daughter... a job with Willi Betz would suit her.

P46.

nice to see someone paying heed to one of my later posts to get back on track and focus on giving knucklehead the stick he usually tries to give out
 
After reading donks post and looking back on the abuse Joe-90 gave him, Im of the opinion Joe is a belligerent hypocrite.

Hehe, I couldn't resist ;)

I have noticed some people do appear to be lucky - I've got a mate who drives everywhere like a 17-year old, and sets cruise control to 98mph on the motorway (to avoid the default sentence of a ban for 100+mph) but he has never got a speeding ticket in his life.

Yet, I know another bloke who drives like an old woman, never ever goes more than 60mph on the motorway, who got clocked TWICE in a few months. Like Joe's relative who's life I endanger when I do an indicated 80mph on clear motorways, both times he was going 37mph in a 30 zone "but thought it must have been a 40".
 
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Kirkgas When she's been caught EIGHT times then she'll be as stupid as you are.
EIGHT times FFS - and you'll soon be back to your speeding ways when the cameras come down won't you?

Well won't you?

I think we all know who the 'supertwat' is around here don't we? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
Perhaps you should consider the effects that "fast but safe" drivers have when they get it wrong. In our case, Paddy was killed. Words cannot describe the impact that has on family and friends. So with respect, we do not all speed. We may have in the past but losing a loved one in a high speed crash will change the way you drive.

I strongly suspect I have seen the results of bad and dangerous driving very more than you, just not the very personal level you have and I am truly sorry and saddened to hear of your loss ajstoneservices. But I do have to refer back to an earlier post that the driver should, and I hope did, get an appropriate sentence for his dangerous driving, for that is what it very obviously was – dangerous!

I do not speed and constantly check my speedo to make sure I don't.

When I hear things like that it makes my blood run cold. If you are “constantly” checking your speedo you are not giving the road your full attention any more than if you were fiddling with the radio or using a mobile phone. Relying on a dumb posted numerical figure to dictate what is safe for the conditions is not conducive to safe driving. It suggests that if your speedometer broke and you still had 100 miles to get back home you couldn’t do it safely.

We may have in the past but losing a loved one in a high speed crash will change the way you drive.
I see the devastation, pain, suffering and life-sentences caused by bad and dangerous driving in my job. Sometimes I weep in my car after I have come away from seeing things most people are privileged never to see, and which I won’t go into detail here.

But my driving has not changed one bit; it does make me very angry though. Angry at the propaganda surrounding speed, when it is bad and dangerous drivers who are at fault. I respect all road users and drive with extreme caution, giving the road my full attention. A typical scenario is this…

Someone gets killed on a road when it’s busy and people are ‘milling around’. A speed camera is placed there, but not necessarily anywhere near the accident zone. The camera catches hundreds of drivers who have never had an accident or hurt anyone ever in their life. They are caught at night or at a time when there are no people around and traffic is light and visibility is good. This has done absolutely nothing to target bad drivers and everything to catch drivers whose excellent driving record has been impeccable.

You are quite right that “Speed on it's own may not be a killer, but speed and error frequently are”. I agree with you and it is the error’s that drivers make which needs to be addressed. If someone reverses their car and runs over a small child at <5mph is it still speed that killed or driver error? If someone pulls out onto a main road and a driver ploughs into the side of him, is it the fault of the driver on the main road who may have been doing the speed limit or something more or less than the speed limit, or is it the driver who pulled out?

Demonising speed in this way is not only missing the whole point of whom and what is to blame, it’s an insult to common sense. Yes, the speed will affect the severity in that scenario but isn’t that completely missing the point? You can slow things down to make the roads a safer place until we end up back with a man walking in front waving a flag. Or you can make the roads a safer place by education, training and last but not least - targeting the drivers who really are a danger to us all.

I am not here to try and convince you I am right about this, “A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still”. But I know of so very many people now who have had a blemish-free driving history and are very good safe and careful drivers, yet they have been done for speeding in the name of ‘safety’ in recent years. It ought to make anyone ask if current road safety policies are getting it right. As you have probably guessed, this is a subject close to my heart, (made ever closer by what I see in my work).

They are, and have, been getting it very wrong with the over-reliance and overuse/abuse of speed cameras!
 
Hey Big Tone. As speed doubles impact energy quadruples - it's just schoolboy physics. When you have a crash, then the faster the speed then the higher the impact .It's just common sense. Speed kills because physics says it must.
 
If you drive faster than the speed limit, you are breaking the law. Good drivers do not deliberately speed. Bad drivers deliberately break the speed limit because they believe that they are good driers, they are not.
Simples ;)
 
Hey Big Tone. As speed doubles impact energy quadruples - it's just schoolboy physics. When you have a crash, then the faster the speed then the higher the impact .It's just common sense. Speed kills because physics says it must.
Then we had better drop the limit on motorways to 20mph just to be sure no-one will get killed.

Meanwhile in Germany they are travelling at 100+ mph safer than us.

But since 'Speed Kills' is such a truism that does leave me somewhat bemused...
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When I was there a couple of years ago on my motorbike travelling, as I did, at a steady 120mph I should have been killed.

I don't know what I was thinking...
 
If you drive faster than the speed limit, you are breaking the law. Good drivers do not deliberately speed. Bad drivers deliberately break the speed limit because they believe that they are good driers, they are not.
Simples ;)
So does a long impeccable driving history say nothing about the driver and what speed he/her selects for any given situation? Good drivers are breaking speed limits because they are being set artificially low.

This was done in America long ago when they dropped the limit from a respectable 70 down to a ridiculous 50. The non-compliance was so great they put it back up to 70.

The same thing has happened in Birmingham recently. If you know the Aston Expressway leading off the A38(M) it has been 40 since as long as I can remember, back to 1975 in fact.

It has recently been dropped to 30 and no-one is complying, not even police vehicles I have followed. So what you are saying is what was legal and safe a couple of months ago has suddenly become illegal and dangerous? Illegal, yes. But dangerous?

I don’t think so and if you travel down there, if you know it, you will find the vast majority of drivers also don't think so..

If the limits are set at an appropriate level, most good drivers will comply.

Simples
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Hey Big Tone. As speed doubles impact energy quadruples - it's just schoolboy physics. When you have a crash, then the faster the speed then the higher the impact .It's just common sense. Speed kills because physics says it must.
Then we had better drop the limit on motorways to 20mph just to be sure no-one will get killed.

Meanwhile in Germany they are travelling at 100+ mph safer than us.

But since 'Speed Kills' is such a truism that does leave me somewhat bemused...
confused-smiley-013.gif


When I was there a couple of years ago on my motorbike travelling, as I did, at a steady 120mph I should have been killed.

I don't know what I was thinking...

Had you fallen off you WOULD have been killed. Maybe we should abandon all limits and see what happens? :confused:
 
I don’t think so and if you travel down there, if you know it, you will find the vast majority of drivers also don't think so..

It makes no difference what they think. They are given a licence on the premise that they will follow the rules of the road. If they don't - then they lose that licence. It's not an arbitrary thing you know.
 
I do not speed and constantly check my speedo to make sure I don't.
When I hear things like that it makes my blood run cold. If you are “constantly” checking your speedo you are not giving the road your full attention any more than if you were fiddling with the radio or using a mobile phone. Relying on a dumb posted numerical figure to dictate what is safe for the conditions is not conducive to safe driving. It suggests that if your speedometer broke and you still had 100 miles to get back home you couldn’t do it safely.

BT,
I constantly check my speed, my mirrors. I watch other road users whether in front of me, behind or approaching a junctions. I look for pedestrians or animals that may cross in front of me, in fact when I'm driving, I'm looking for potential hazards all the time. Do I do that consiously? of course not it's a learned behaviour. Any driver that cannot do the same should imo not be on the road whether they drive at or above the speed limits.

If you were driving at 60 or 70 then entered a 30 or 40 mph zone you lift off the accelerator and or break you wouldnt simply guess your speed would you? That presumes you do slow to somewhere near the posted limit of course. We all know that having to slow from 70-30 seems as though we've almost stopped so couldn't reasonbly guess the speed could you. Perhaps that's why so many people do get nicked when entering a much lower speed area.
 
Phew! Hang on; I wasn’t expecting a sortie and I have got to leave just now. (To see a biker in fact. He came off at 20mph, so he told me, and broke his neck at C4/5. He gave it too much from stationary. Coldish day, cold tyres – NOT speeding). Anyway…



I don’t think so and if you travel down there, if you know it, you will find the vast majority of drivers also don't think so..

It makes no difference what they think. They are given a licence on the premise that they will follow the rules of the road. If they don't - then they lose that licence. It's not an arbitrary thing you know.
Yes, I know that and I am not disagreeing with you on the legality of it. I am concerned about real road safety and the way they treat us sheeple.

Laws are made to control us and it is naive to think all laws are made with the utmost of integrity. If speed kills and it is a fact that speed cameras have saved so very many lives, (so they keep telling us), then why has funding been withdrawn from speed cameras?

Do we conclude from this that despite how many lives speed cameras save, money matters more? This is the same ‘philanthropic’ Government you put your faith in to dictate the speed limits as delegated to SCPs all around the country.

I know two wrongs don’t make a right but speed limits should be based on safety, not revenue. They were set at a more sensible limit and now they are being lowered despite the improvements in road engineering and safer car technology. (Crumple zones etc.)


Hey Big Tone. As speed doubles impact energy quadruples - it's just schoolboy physics. When you have a crash, then the faster the speed then the higher the impact .It's just common sense. Speed kills because physics says it must.
Then we had better drop the limit on motorways to 20mph just to be sure no-one will get killed.

Meanwhile in Germany they are travelling at 100+ mph safer than us.

But since 'Speed Kills' is such a truism that does leave me somewhat bemused...
confused-smiley-013.gif


When I was there a couple of years ago on my motorbike travelling, as I did, at a steady 120mph I should have been killed.

I don't know what I was thinking...

Had you fallen off you WOULD have been killed. Maybe we should abandon all limits and see what happens? :confused:
Factually incorrect to say “would” my friend.

There was very little on the road and, unlike here in the UK, tailgating is an offence in Germany which is enforced. So if some act of god locked my back wheel up, with modern protective biker clothing I may well have been able to get back up just as happens in Superbike racing where they often come off at 100+mph and walk away frustrated that they are out of the race.

Granted, I may have been hurt or broken my leg but to say I “WOULD” have been killed is simply not correct. When I was young I came off the back of my friends GS750 at an indicated 80mph. I had road rash something terrible, but I got up and walked away because I didn’t hit anything. It’s not the speed which kills but the sudden deceleration and you have made the classic case of how speed, in itself, Does Not Kill.

You have not considered the circumstances or conditions but instead unwittingly made a bold claim that speed, and speed alone, would have killed me. (Tut tut).

Gotta dash, laters...
 
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