The death penalty.

[Shytalkz]

I abhor it.

But you are not everyone; nor do you speak for everyone.

You see, I feel about your opinion the same way, (I surmise) that you do about the opinions of the paedophile torturer.

You lost me with that one, sorry

You misunderstand - I don't think I'm right, I know I am.

Careful, it's a long way down off that lofty moral perch upon which you seek to place yourself.

This is not a case of shades of grey, of degrees of right and wrong - it is an absolute moral imperative. Dead is dead - it's not possible to be "less dead", nor is it possible to be "less wrong". By killing you render yourself just as wrong as the person you kill.

Ok, let's use the word qualms then. I have no qualms about someone being killed (there said it now, not a problem...) by the state. I have plenty of them about the current laws that make people think that they can act in that way and get away with it.

No, but it is killing. It is taking another person's life to get what you want.

Fair enough, I don't have a problem with that.

And if you look at murder trials you'll see that special condemnation is reserved for those who cold-bloodedly plan and carry out their killings, compared to those who kill in the heat of the moment.

So that effectively must mean one is less wrong than the other. Are there really any extenuating circumstances for murdering someone? Apart from the state, naturally.

Also look around you at the people who support you in your desire to kill - tell me that they are not consumed with anger and rage.

I couldn't tell you, they're all sat behind keyboards like you and me. The only person to have displayed any rage in this debate thus far is...erm that would be you. Calmer today, admittedly, it would seem. As intolerant as ever, mind .

And this is why you are completely unable to lift yourself from the cesspit of violence and inhumanity in which you wallow.

Oh and then you went and lost it. Dear me...

You simply do not have the moral fibre or the human decency to see that killing is wrong.

Killing of one citizen by another, yes; killing by state apparatus after due legal process, no.

You talk about the "ultimate deterrent" in that way (fascinating isn't, how all you people use all these euphemisms - "ultimate deterrent", "execution", "capital punishment" - what's the matter, don't you like to say "kill"?) - do you want it for everything? It would allow you law abiding honest decent people to go about your business free from the scourge of littering, graffiti, noisy neighbours.

I said it above and I'll say it again. I have absolutely no problem with squaring the issue of the state killing convicted perps. And chavs.

Not vigilantism, but you have to be prepared to carry out the killings ordered by the court.

Some would be, for sure.

You are responsible for the road mending taking place because you ask them to do it and you pay them to do it.

So what about the person that never uses the road, but pays taxes? They didn't ask, it still gets done.

So if you ask them to kill and you pay them to kill you are responsible for the killing taking place.

Given the choice of voting in a referendum for the return of the death penalty, I would vote yes; and if that formed but one vote of the majority and it was reintroduced and someone was killed by the state, then, yes, you could say that I was responsible for that. Not a problem in my eyes, I certainly wouldn't lose any sleep over it.

Do I ask them to do it?

Was that rhetorical? Either way, neither do, or have I and, I suspect, the vast majority haven't either. Still goes on, though. In your name, my name and everyone else's.

 

[Shytalkz]

How many times do I have to tell you that ultimately it comes down to an absolute moral conviction that killing for punishment and control is wrong before it sinks in that there is no "argument" involved?

There is, if it is not the moral conviction of others. Killing in whatever form is, by all accounts, abhorrent to you; it does not follow that those people who hold a different conviction from you in this regard are in any way less human, or wallowing in vats of whatever it was you said. They just have a different take on the subject.

 

[joe-90]

But if you look at the American stats it's not effective is it? Wouldn't you rather go with the most EFFECTIVE deterrent - rather than your favoured "Kill the bastards"? You are one mixed up fella Shyster.

 

[Norcon]

bas wrote

And I am genuinely disgusted by anyone who does want to kill. None of the things I have said here were said for effect, or to wind people up, or to provoke them - when I tell someone he's a worthless sickening **** I mean it.

Would you go into a Mosque and tell the congregation (many of whom may believe in the death penalty) that they are worthless sickening..........?

What are your veiws on Islamic people's strong belief in capital punishment ?.

Can you answer my questions bas or do you want to avoid this one ?.
I think perhaps the only way to get a response from you is by posting something contentious counter to your opinion.

 

[megawatt]

BAS's posts are borderline psychotic and we shouldn't encourage him.

 

[Shytalkz]

You are one mixed up fella Shyster.

I prefer enigma

 

[ban-all-sheds]

But you are not everyone; nor do you speak for everyone.

Did I claim that?

You lost me with that one, sorry

OK - you said

"In anycase, I'm not dismissing your opinion, I just recognise that it's completely divergent from mine. I don't think that I'm any more right than you though, or vice versa."

My reply was that I do not feel that way about your opinion. I don't just recognise it as completely divergent from mine and think that I'm no more right than you, or vice-versa. I feel about your opinion the same way, (I surmise) that you do about the opinions of a paedophile torturer.

Careful, it's a long way down off that lofty moral perch upon which you seek to place yourself.

It's higher then the depths you occupy, that's for sure.

Ok, let's use the word qualms then. I have no qualms about someone being killed (there said it now, not a problem...) by the state.

That doesn't come as news to me.

Presumably it will not come as news to you that I find your lack of qualms despicable, and that I know it makes you a vile and disgusting uncivilised sub-human scumbag.

But there really is no point to any more of this. It's just one never-ending round of you trying to prove to me that you are disgusting and sickening and perverted when I already know that full well.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

How many times do I have to tell you that ultimately it comes down to an absolute moral conviction that killing for punishment and control is wrong before it sinks in that there is no "argument" involved?

There is, if it is not the moral conviction of others. Killing in whatever form is, by all accounts, abhorrent to you; it does not follow that those people who hold a different conviction from you in this regard are in any way less human, or wallowing in vats of whatever it was you said.

But it does.

It absolutely, and without any shred of doubt does.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Can you answer my questions bas or do you want to avoid this one ?.
I think perhaps the only way to get a response from you is by posting something contentious counter to your opinion.

Would you go into a Mosque and tell the congregation (many of whom may believe in the death penalty) that they are worthless sickening..........?

If invited, yes.

What are your veiws on Islamic people's strong belief in capital punishment ?.

I think it is disgusting, vile, sickening, uncivilised, sub-human etc, with an added dose of rank hypocrisy if they claim to be religious people.

 

[Shytalkz]

[Did I claim that?

Your reply was as if yours is the only viewpoint that is valid. If it was, everyone would agree with you. They don't; far from it.

My reply was that I do not feel that way about your opinion. I don't just recognise it as completely divergent from mine and think that I'm no more right than you, or vice-versa. I feel about your opinion the same way, (I surmise) that you do about the opinions of a paedophile torturer.

Being proponents of the death penalty can by no stretch of the imagination be considered in the same vein.

It's higher then the depths you occupy, that's for sure.

Now you're just making acerbic comments for the sake of it.

Presumably it will not come as news to you that I find your lack of qualms despicable, and that I know it makes you a vile and disgusting uncivilised sub-human scumbag.

And more so than someone who has killed an innocent person - skewed thought processes or what?

But there really is no point to any more of this. It's just one never-ending round of you trying to prove to me that you are disgusting and sickening and perverted when I already know that full well.

Ah the alcohol is clearly starting to take hold now. There's a pattern to your posting: you try and hold on to a less salacious line earlier in the evening, have a few (bottles?) and the more colourful abuse starts. Do you have a drink problem, by any chance?

 

[Shytalkz]

Would you go into a Mosque and tell the congregation (many of whom may believe in the death penalty) that they are worthless sickening..........?

If invited, yes.

Just who are you trying to kid in your drunken stupor? You wouldn't have the balls to go anywhere near.

 

[chessspy]

Ah, brethren,
I see you need to be introduced to the concept of the all encompassing WALL.
The brethren of the wall,
http://www.thebretherenofthewall.com
will give you the mental tools to find your way through the vagaries of life.

 

[Shytalkz]

You'll not be getting me a second time with that Chess

 

[Shytalkz]

Speaking of mental tools....

 

[sooey]

If you were driving at two zillion miles an hour through a built up when you killed someone. b****y right it is.

You're missing a trick there. Why wait for them to kill someone? You could completely prevent people from driving at two zillion miles an hour through built up areas if you killed everyone who drove at more than 30mph....

That's disgusting, what a sick and depraved little man you are.

You'd have to allow them to get up to at least forty.