The EU Referendum
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david and julie
FWL_Engineer said:
So you agree on EU constitution referendum but not on us having a vote on being in it in the first place? What are the other equally important issues which you want referendum on?
What is your opinion on EMU?
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david and julie
Damocles, the NHS is of topic, start another one if you want and their is also another thread about the war.
This debate is purely about the EU referendum it is nothing to do with the living standards of the US.
Can you pro Euro's come up with something to convince the anti's why we are wrong?
FWL your figures about EU contributions only includes 8 countries.
Between them they are coughing up some 200 BILLION Euro's and getting back 33 BILLION. I am using your figures not mine and this means their a getting 167 BILLION less than they are putting in. How is this a good deal for any of those countries?
You then went on to say this.
Now it would seem we have a confliction because in the first you say the figures are the total we get back but in the second you say we get more.
Do you have any figures on community or regeneration budgets because I would assume they are in the total otherwise. That is what total means is it not?
What about sacking the accountants then?
This debate is purely about the EU referendum it is nothing to do with the living standards of the US.
Can you pro Euro's come up with something to convince the anti's why we are wrong?
FWL your figures about EU contributions only includes 8 countries.
Between them they are coughing up some 200 BILLION Euro's and getting back 33 BILLION. I am using your figures not mine and this means their a getting 167 BILLION less than they are putting in. How is this a good deal for any of those countries?
You then went on to say this.
However further on you also said this.
Now it would seem we have a confliction because in the first you say the figures are the total we get back but in the second you say we get more.
Do you have any figures on community or regeneration budgets because I would assume they are in the total otherwise. That is what total means is it not?
What about sacking the accountants then?
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Big_Spark
D&J...How old are you? There WAS a VOTE on joining the EU...DECADES ago when it was called the European Economic Community!!
The British peple voted to join...sheesh...
Regarding EMU's...what has a large flightless bird to do with this debate?
Sorry, couldn't resist...
I agree with the Euro. This is not a case of the UK giving up it's pounds as some die hards claim, we actually gave up our currency in 1971 when they introduced decimalisation. OK so it is still called pounds and pence, but it is name only.
To be honest, I don't care if the stuff in my pocket is called Garbage, so long as it can be used to pay my bills and live my life without it being valued any less than now, I have no problem with it.
I have travelled around Europe a lot since the Euro came into play..and it is so much easier with one currency, not keep having to pay exorbitant fees to banks etc to change money all the time.
Lets be honest here, Money is a red herring, Money was invented by man because walkign round with sheep or cows in your back pocket was not a practical proposition anymore as our societies progressed. Once we had full control over our Economy, and at that time it made sense to have our own money, however this is not true in the modern world. Events around the globe effect our economy in ways we have little or no control, consequently we have very little control over the value of our money anyway. So this being the case, what difference does it make what it's called?
Although Euro was hardly imaginative!!!
Regarding the funding as you point out in the post above. I have only included the largest 8 contributers, also these figures do not include the new member states contributions.
I think you have misunderstood, the second figure quoted was those payments DIRECT to governments, they do not include the annual 112 BILLION Euro payments to farmers as subsidies, the 56 BILLION to Fishermen around Europe and the BILLIONS to other sectors of the EU comunity.
This is the main reason Germany, Britain, France, Spain, Sweden and the Netherlands are pushing for a full reform of the whole EU budget and to resolve the farm subsidy issue once and for all.
Germany wants to reduce it's contribution due to the economic situation in the east of the County dragging down it's economy, but a full revamp fo the whole funding structure and subsidy issue would help to alleviate some of these concerns and gripes.
It is ironic that the very success of the old EEC has actually created many of these problems. Before all the money was spent in the major contributors by and large, as they were the member states, as the EU has expanded, less of the contribution is being spent in the main member states as Farm and Fishery subsidies get spread around, the less developed nations get a higher proportion of the funds.
Ireland currently recieves twice the amount from the EU than it pays in!!
The British peple voted to join...sheesh...
Regarding EMU's...what has a large flightless bird to do with this debate?
Sorry, couldn't resist...
I agree with the Euro. This is not a case of the UK giving up it's pounds as some die hards claim, we actually gave up our currency in 1971 when they introduced decimalisation. OK so it is still called pounds and pence, but it is name only.
To be honest, I don't care if the stuff in my pocket is called Garbage, so long as it can be used to pay my bills and live my life without it being valued any less than now, I have no problem with it.
I have travelled around Europe a lot since the Euro came into play..and it is so much easier with one currency, not keep having to pay exorbitant fees to banks etc to change money all the time.
Lets be honest here, Money is a red herring, Money was invented by man because walkign round with sheep or cows in your back pocket was not a practical proposition anymore as our societies progressed. Once we had full control over our Economy, and at that time it made sense to have our own money, however this is not true in the modern world. Events around the globe effect our economy in ways we have little or no control, consequently we have very little control over the value of our money anyway. So this being the case, what difference does it make what it's called?
Although Euro was hardly imaginative!!!
Regarding the funding as you point out in the post above. I have only included the largest 8 contributers, also these figures do not include the new member states contributions.
I think you have misunderstood, the second figure quoted was those payments DIRECT to governments, they do not include the annual 112 BILLION Euro payments to farmers as subsidies, the 56 BILLION to Fishermen around Europe and the BILLIONS to other sectors of the EU comunity.
This is the main reason Germany, Britain, France, Spain, Sweden and the Netherlands are pushing for a full reform of the whole EU budget and to resolve the farm subsidy issue once and for all.
Germany wants to reduce it's contribution due to the economic situation in the east of the County dragging down it's economy, but a full revamp fo the whole funding structure and subsidy issue would help to alleviate some of these concerns and gripes.
It is ironic that the very success of the old EEC has actually created many of these problems. Before all the money was spent in the major contributors by and large, as they were the member states, as the EU has expanded, less of the contribution is being spent in the main member states as Farm and Fishery subsidies get spread around, the less developed nations get a higher proportion of the funds.
Ireland currently recieves twice the amount from the EU than it pays in!!
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david and julie
We ddn't have a vote on what we have.
What is your opinion on the EMU?
What is your opinion on the EMU?
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Big_Spark
david and julie said:
WE did...EEC = EU
See above edited post.
Kendor i agree with you about referendums, but the thing is what we had one for about joining the EU in the 1970's, was not what we have today or will have tomorrow.
We voted to join a common trading market of 7 countries which worked up untill the 1980's when it all changed.
France is not in NATO, they pulled out of NATO years ago. This came up recently when they wanted the French to join them in operations in Bosnia.
Engineer that is actually one of the nicest things anybody has said about me thankyou----------But where is the reasons for your idealic statement on how you say we can only survive in the EU---6 times i believe now.
We voted to join a common trading market of 7 countries which worked up untill the 1980's when it all changed.
France is not in NATO, they pulled out of NATO years ago. This came up recently when they wanted the French to join them in operations in Bosnia.
Engineer that is actually one of the nicest things anybody has said about me thankyou----------But where is the reasons for your idealic statement on how you say we can only survive in the EU---6 times i believe now.
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david and julie
FWL_Engineer said:
WE DID NOT vote for what we have, had we voted for a fully integrated EU there would be no need for a referendum.
What are the other issues that need referenda and what is your opinion of EMU?
The economic woes in Germany and France are in a way caused by the EU rules and the regulations of a single currancy. The problems would be worse in France except they never take any notice of the rules anyway. Both economies are down and the rules stop them from being able to kick start their economies.
Spain also receives vast amounts of money from the EU.
Britains farmers got done as they receive very little compared to other EU farmers
Spain also receives vast amounts of money from the EU.
Britains farmers got done as they receive very little compared to other EU farmers
£130 BILLION POUNDS and soon to be more.
You could carry on paying Britains farmers and fishermen the same money and i bet it wouldnt even come close to £10 billion.
Just think what that money could do for Britain and its people whose tax money it is if it was put back into our country every year instead of giving it to Abdul with his 2 goats and 5 acres of sand and rock.
It is pure farce and i think illegal, it is being spent on more politicians we dont need jobs for beaurocrats to waste money and countries which shouldnt even be there in todays world, absolutley ridiculas.
You could carry on paying Britains farmers and fishermen the same money and i bet it wouldnt even come close to £10 billion.
Just think what that money could do for Britain and its people whose tax money it is if it was put back into our country every year instead of giving it to Abdul with his 2 goats and 5 acres of sand and rock.
It is pure farce and i think illegal, it is being spent on more politicians we dont need jobs for beaurocrats to waste money and countries which shouldnt even be there in todays world, absolutley ridiculas.
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Big_Spark
Freddie said:
NEVER CALL ME A LIAR.
I have quoted information from the IRISH GOVERNMENT on the Irish contribution situation..
You want to go to Dublin and say they are liars too...Moron.
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Big_Spark
Freddie said:
Fella, you have little understanding of basic business, do you really think you are intelligent enough to comment on international monetary matters..hahahahahahahahaha...
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Big_Spark
david and julie said:
The Government in this nation is NOT what we voted for...things change and grow, they evolve. Get over it.
I have answered this question if you bother to read the post above...
All you do is reply with insults and part threats, never any fact or explanation, and still no reasoning or fact behind your idealism and rantings.
As regards being a liar, i can call you that as i know a hell of a lot more than you think, and can prove it and back up some of the things i have posted here-----you cant-----you said dont get personal----right from the beginning you started throwing insults at people, and now you carry on because we wont accept your rantings as you cant supply any truth.
As regards being a liar, i can call you that as i know a hell of a lot more than you think, and can prove it and back up some of the things i have posted here-----you cant-----you said dont get personal----right from the beginning you started throwing insults at people, and now you carry on because we wont accept your rantings as you cant supply any truth.
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