The EU Referendum

[Big_Spark]

Those figures quoted do not tell the whole story. The payments back in grants etc are direct to Governments, however the EU does fund projects in communities, road infra-structure, housing, transport, environmental projects, NATO, Police and other Law enforcement, Medical projects, border systems, industry..the list is huge..

And a long the way I am sure they fund the odd individuals bank accounts...as all Governments seem to do

 

[Freddie]

There's your answer Damocles £133 billion of your money spent on proping up no hoper countries, subsidising losers, something a business would never do, get rid is what they would do.

Just think what Britain could do with that money, how many hospitals would that run, how many bombs for Iraq, oops sorry got carried away there Damacles

 

[Freddie]

So hold on Einstein your way is to tax the British to death give it to a load of Beaurocrats in Belgium who dream up zany ideas on how to waste it on stupid ideas and holes like Greece. Then the deal is we get a little of it back to do a few things with.

Great idea, which way to the looney bin ???????????

 

[Freddie]

Now i know you are out with the fairies. The Eu does not pay towards NATO. cause the French arent in it and disagree with NATO so they pulled out of it years ago. And most of the EU countries arent in NATO either

 

[Freddie]

The police are paid for by your rates and there are no border controls they were completly abolished in the 1990's

 

[Freddie]

Housing now, well Mcalpines and Barretts better watch out then.

I must go out this sunday to an EU show house, do you think you can direct me to one.??? Neither do i.

 

[Freddie]

I am off to bed, you are ferkin mad mate, you are actually having a wind up or you must be on day release or something, and that aint being personal its a reaction to the tripe you have posted here tonight, and still no reason as to why your dream is good for Britain.

 

[Damocles]

EU pays for a lot of border control and security stuff in the poorer countries. Probably quite a good investment.

I did know the figures, but I forget now. Poland has had a billion or two spent on it by the EU every year since it started entry negotiations. I think rehabilitating an ex-communist country into a strong democracy is a very good use of our money. It will pay off in the future.

 

[Freddie]

EU pays for a lot of border control and security stuff in the poorer countries. Probably quite a good investment.

I did know the figures, but I forget now. Poland has had a billion or two spent on it by the EU every year since it started entry negotiations. I think rehabilitating an ex-communist country into a strong democracy is a very good use of our money. It will pay off in the future.

Democracy or part of it Damocles is when you the tax payer have some say as to what your money shopuld be spent on, we have never been given the choice, and its bloody stupid spending billions on border control when those countris bordering Poland send their citizens here anyway. I know loads of Russians and Ukranians, my miss's works with a few, and gorgeous looking women they are too if i may say so.

 

[Damocles]

The ones I meet generally turn out to be builders.

We are hardly ever given a choice what our money is spent on. Didn't you notice that? I would much rather pay the poles to sort out the border and no longer have to maintain an army in Germany, just in case the Russians invaded. Remember? Cold War? Price of victory? American idea again? (though now they are getting worried that we europens are getting too powerful and endependant)

 

[kendor]

As Referendum was mentioned in the topic's title I was wondering if anyone saw the documentary "Bagdhad or Bust" recently about the people going out to Iraq to be human shields?
The program was brilliant in that it showed a couple of things one being that you can't have too many people trying to give their input to a cause or action at every junction as it makes the whole process unworkable i.e. you have to elect a leader and let that elected leader get on with the task in hand and point being we can't have referendums all the time for this and that and have to let the elected get on with the job.
the other thing it showed was although these individuals went out with the best intentions they soon found out that they were ending up as a propoganda vehicle and that they were in fact interfering in others business, point here is that we should mind our own business and let others get on with the way they wish to live their lives.

 

[Richardp]

I never get involved in this stuff cause i keep sheep and i am out every night now to make sure that the fox doesnt take the lambs .

Crikey! Freddie your making up for lost time!

 

[Big_Spark]

Now i know you are out with the fairies. The Eu does not pay towards NATO. cause the French arent in it and disagree with NATO so they pulled out of it years ago. And most of the EU countries arent in NATO either

Freddie, I suggest that you look up your facts first

Q: How much does NATO cost and who pays for it?

A: NATO is an intergovernmental organisation to which member nations allocate the resources needed to enable it to function on a day-to-day basis. There are three budgets: one civil and two military. Each NATO member country pays an amount into the budgets based on an agreed cost-sharing formula. Taken together, these budgets represent less than half of one percent of the total defence budget expenditures of NATO countries. There is also a contribution, amounting to 2.5% of the total NATO budget, from the European Union

The 26 Member Countries of NATO are...

Belgium
Bulgaria EU
Canada
Czech Rep EU
Denmark EU
Estonia EU
France EU
Germany EU
Greece EU
Hungary
Iceland EU
Italy EU
Latvia EU
Lithuania EU
Luxembourg EU
Netherlands EU
Norway EU
Poland EU
Portugal EU
Romania
Slovakia EU
Slovenia EU
Spain EU
Turkey
United Kingdom EU
United States

So 20 of the 26 member states are also members of the EU...Now some of those have only just joined the EU..however they have also just joined NATO, so the proportion of EU member states in NATO to no-EU member states has remained static with the majority being members of both the EU and NATO.

The following Countries Have representatives at NATO's table, they are not member states, but they make a contribution to operational costs for Joint exercises, administration and other such costs.

Albania
Armenia
Austria EU
Azerbaijan
Belarus
Croatia
Finland
Georgia
Ireland EU
Kazakhstan
Kyrghyz Republic
Moldova
Russia
Sweden EU
Switzerland
the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (*)
Tadjikistan
Turkmenistan
Ukraine
Uzbekistan

So I think your comments show what little understanding of NATO you actually have Freddie. This I blame on the Government though as they do not make such information freely available, and they should.

 

[Big_Spark]

I am off to bed, you are ferkin mad mate, you are actually having a wind up or you must be on day release or something, and that aint being personal its a reaction to the tripe you have posted here tonight, and still no reason as to why your dream is good for Britain.

Freddie, that is personal, but as you are obviously an inbreed, rednecked Xenophobe that would not accept the truth if it was inserted in your rectum then continueing this debate is largely pointless. I like intelligent debate, but you obvioulsy are not intelligent and do not know the frst thing about this subject.

Your comments here show you are an uneducated moron with little knowledge of the world he lives in, I suggest you stick to your sheep as they probably get a good laugh out of the ****** you spout, they are, afterall, on the same interlectual plane as you.

 

[Big_Spark]

Kendor, your correct of course, referendums on everything would be wildly expensive and grind everything to a halt, however on something as fundermental as the EU Constitutian and other equally important issues, then the people of Europe should have a referendum as it is our right to tell the politico's how to run our continent.

However, all nations should have the referendum at the same time, not spread over many years..that is absurd.