They’re dealing out swift justice to the rioters

[IT Minion]

At a quick guess the Farage rioter was an A1, the Leeds rioters were B1. Farage probably got the max 12 years with a 1/3 discount for pleading guilty. Leeds will get up to 6.5 years or so, I'd guess more like 4 or less as they have fewer aggravating factors.

Based on my deep knowledge of the law, sentencing and Google of course.

Arson/criminal damage with intent to endanger life or reckless as to whether life endangered – Sentencing

www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk

 

[big-all]

to be fair there will be an element off "hang em and flog em" in the heat off the moment where the "message"is more important than actual level off justice like the big bag off rice in the croydon riots
because in the calmer months after the sentences will be more balanced when appealed

the quick message is "dont do it " and that work 100% as required

 

[IT Minion]

to be fair there will be an element off "hang em and flog em" in the heat off the moment where the "message"is more important than actual level off justice like the big bag off rice in the croydon riots
because in the calmer months after the sentences will be more balanced when appealed

the quick message is "dont do it " and that work 100% as required

Yo stop the riots the size of the sentences doesn't have to be huge, just that they happen fast and visibly.

Having said that none of the stuff I've seen getting jail time is for theft. Its all violence or encouraging violence so far. All these sentences are in line with normal tariffs.

 

[big-all]

Yo stop the riots the size of the sentences doesn't have to be huge, just that they happen fast and visibly.

Having said that none of the stuff I've seen getting jail time is for theft. Its all violence or encouraging violence so far. All these sentences are in line with normal tariffs.

they are all people pleading guilty as you can only sentence the guilty without a hearing or trial
now they must admit to the charge to be put in prison
now i believe but could be wrong here that they will be put in prison for admitted crimes with possible new riotous charges suggested as as part off the charge although not yet proven and later to be challenged
in other words " in prison as part off the riotous mob but not nesiseraly for the riotous action as not yet tried for
but as i say not sure

 

[motorbiking]

Yo stop the riots the size of the sentences doesn't have to be huge, just that they happen fast and visibly.

Having said that none of the stuff I've seen getting jail time is for theft. Its all violence or encouraging violence so far. All these sentences are in line with normal tariffs.

They are quite tough sentences. Particularly when you look at other criminal behaviour. e.g. Armed Robbery.

Lucy Connolly will be sentenced soon as she has pleaded guilty. It also appears that the CPS have found other racist posts from her.

 

[ajohn]

they are all people pleading guilty as you can only sentence the guilty without a hearing or trial
now they must admit to the charge to be put in prison

No. There is a trial just as if some one who pleaded not guilty. A judge decides on the sentence based on evidence as the charge will have been in the first place.

 

[IT Minion]

No. There is a trial just as if some one who pleaded not guilty. A judge decides on the sentence based on evidence as the charge will have been in the first place.

No, that's not how an early guilty plea works.

The CPS will have a description of the crime and the charges. If the defender pleads guilty then they're saying that what the CPS has described is accurate. There is no trial.

 

[IT Minion]

They are quite tough sentences. Particularly when you look at other criminal behaviour. e.g. Armed Robbery.

Lucy Connolly will be sentenced soon as she has pleaded guilty. It also appears that the CPS have found other racist posts from her.

Armed robbery gets the same sort of sentencing time as arson with intent to injure.

Lucy Connolly won't get anything like those sentences. I think it's a max 4 years, even though she probably hits A1 as well. She was encouraging people to burn down a hotel and kill the people inside. The racism just pushes her to the top of the band.

 

[ajohn]

No, that's not how an early guilty plea works.

I have listened to descriptions of the trials.

 

[denso13]

There is a trial just as if some one who pleaded not guilty.

As IT Minion, they can be fast tracked because there is no trial. They are sentenced on the charges they pled guilty to.

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

I have listened to descriptions of the trials.

What you have heard, is the description of the 'sentencing'. There is no need for the trial stage, the trial is to decide innocence or guilt, and extent of guilt. If they admit all charges, as guilty, it goes straight to deciding sentence.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

Armed robbery gets the same sort of sentencing time as arson with intent to injure.

Lucy Connolly won't get anything like those sentences. I think it's a max 4 years, even though she probably hits A1 as well. She was encouraging people to burn down a hotel and kill the people inside. The racism just pushes her to the top of the band.

Is she the one where the (husband?) was interviewed a few days back and said along the lines of 'what Lucy typed isn't reflective of the person she is.'

Lol. Eh?!? Yeah, whatever mate.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

We're needing to see MUCH more of this with crime i.e. people locked up and for decent lengths of time. Black, white, tall, short, fat, thin, all races, all religions, no religion. Cliche but do the crime, do the time.

Unfortunately we don't have the prison spaces to do this.

There was talk of shipping prisons to other countries that have the capacity, can't see that happening. The do-gooders would be all over it to ensure it doesn't happen.

 

[ajohn]

As IT Minion, they can be fast tracked because there is no trial.

My recollection is based on a particular court house. Magistrates court on the ground floor and crown on the 2nd. Having pleaded guilty the person was immediately whisked up to the crown court. Pretty sure this one also mentioned the actual proceedings in the court.

Magistrate straight to crown is the fast tracking.

A few have pleaded not guilty. The crown court hearing was set a ~couple of weeks hence. I've not heard any news on the end result.

 

[IT Minion]

We're needing to see MUCH more of this with crime i.e. people locked up and for decent lengths of time

At the moment we lock people up for too long on average.
Its a waste of money that should be spent on rehabilitation to prevent them just coming back in a few months.