They Shoot Horses, don't they?

[denso13]

Delivering a known lethal dose?

Yes.

 

[motorbiking]

Its illegal and nothing in the bill changes that. But I understood that 250mg is lethal in one go, but 600mg wont necessarily kill you if administered throughout the day. So a morphine pump is unlikely to do the job of giving you a fatal dose.

 

[denso13]

So a morphine pump is unlikely to do the job of giving you a fatal dose.

It was made very clear when we had to gather family round, and it was then a swift end. Call it what you like.

 

[denso13]

Its illegal and nothing in the bill changes that

Which is the inconsistency of Blup's position.

 

[motorbiking]

It was made very clear when we had to gather family round, and it was then a swift end. Call it what you like.

I suspect they were/are very experienced at predicting the final moments. Research shows that high doses of morphine at the end of life tend to prolong life.

 

[motorbiking]

Which is the inconsistency of Blup's position.

We all know it's illegal. maybe some hospice workers are cavalier with language, but they risk prison if they give fatal doses of drugs.

Once it becomes legal, there is a risk of normalisation.

 

[denso13]

I suspect they were/are very experienced at predicting the final moments.

With respect, you have no idea of the final moments we went through. It was clear what went on, and I have no complaints.

 

[denso13]

Once it becomes legal, there is a risk of normalisation.

And if society chooses that, then so be it.

 

[motorbiking]

I have no problem with that. But I can acknowledge the point of view that it can end up with...

"come on Granny its better for everyone, this care home is costing us £100k a year out of our inheritance."

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Its illegal and nothing in the bill changes that. But I understood that 250mg is lethal in one go, but 600mg wont necessarily kill you if administered throughout the day. So a morphine pump is unlikely to do the job of giving you a fatal dose.

You haven't been there at the end I guess

Nobody is saying it's wrong, but be clear, the patient had/has no choice

 

[carmanmemoranda]

I have no problem with that. But I can acknowledge the point of view that it can end up with...

"come on Granny its better for everyone, this care home is costing us £100k a year out of our inheritance."

And the 2 doctors agree ?

It's why people should be able to choose before it gets to that stage

 

[ellal]

I have no problem with that. But I can acknowledge the point of view that it can end up with...

"come on Granny its better for everyone, this care home is costing us £100k a year out of our inheritance."

I have no doubt that there will be a few people thinking that way...

But with the right precautions put in place it will save an awful lot of suffering...

Unless of course you believe in 'granny' dying in pain?

Because whether you believe that palliative care eases the physical pain or not, it does nothing for the mental pain!

 

[blup]

...which kinda flattens your argument, such as it is.
you'll be teaching your granny to suck eggs soon enough.

It informs the argument but doesn't flatten it. There will be even more lawyers and doctors poring over the legal and medical question whether someone has mental capacity in this kind of case.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

It informs the argument but doesn't flatten it. There will be even more lawyers and doctors poring over the legal and medical question whether someone has mental capacity in this kind of case.

Not if the person makes that CHOICE before they are at that stage.
People will have time to think about things.

What is wrong with having a choice ?

But maybe some will spend money on lawyers and not flights, to get somewhere that allows a choice

 

[ellal]

What is wrong with having a choice ?

Those who deny the right for others to choose what they do are quite frankly hideous and cruel !