They Shoot Horses, don't they?

[blup]

So they should have a choice

They have a choice, look at mbk’s link

 

[blup]

I honestly don't get what his point actually is.

Is it that, we don't need the new law because people can decide to commit suicide currently, or travel to Switzerland, whenever we like? And he seems to be ok with medical professionals murdering people, but doesn't want to give the patient a right to choose the timing?

Is that it?

Your second to last sentence is going off the rails a bit

 

[carmanmemoranda]

They have a choice, look at mbk’s link

Legally, come on !

 

[motorbiking]

You haven't been there at the end I guess

Nobody is saying it's wrong, but be clear, the patient had/has no choice

I have and the pain management was excellent. I do not believe that hospice staff give lethal doses of drugs.

 

[motorbiking]

Not if the person makes that CHOICE before they are at that stage.
People will have time to think about things.

What is wrong with having a choice ?

But maybe some will spend money on lawyers and not flights, to get somewhere that allows a choice

I suspect people change their mind over and over again

 

[Odds]

Medical Examiner's office was established pretty much with Shipman in mind. Too risky for a Hospice doctor/nurse to administer a lethal dose and risk external testing of the body. But they do their best to be generous with the drugs, to ease suffering.

I have and the pain management was excellent. I do not believe that hospice staff give lethal doses of drugs.

 

[motorbiking]

Your point?

 

[carmanmemoranda]

I suspect people change their mind over and over again

It's called choice

 

[Odds]

Your point?

I was wondering if you'd clarigy the point you're making in regard to using lethal drug doses: you say they don't do it, but insinuate they do.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

I have and the pain management was excellent. I do not believe that hospice staff give lethal doses of drugs.

Dress it up how you like

Anyone who has been there has seen the suffering and the "increased" pain killers to help at the end.

Very necessary, very helpful, but it's assisted dying. You can call it what you like, but it is what it is

 

[motorbiking]

I was wondering if you'd clarigy the point you're making in regard to using lethal drug doses: you say they don't do it, but insinuate they do.

No both posts show that hospice staff would risk their freedom if they did. All it takes is one grieving relative to say they think the doctor gave a lethal dose and the medical examiner office will investigate.

Nothing in the DPP guidelines would protect a person who regularly did this.

Shipman of course was a serial killer.

 

[motorbiking]

Dress it up how you like

Anyone who has been there has seen the suffering and the "increased" pain killers to help at the end.

Very necessary, very helpful, but it's assisted dying. You can call it what you like, but it is what it is

They do not give fatal doses. They do give lots of drugs that reduce e pain, minimise mental suffering and all the other symptoms associated with dying.

If your definition of assisted dying is going out high as a kite and oblivious to the pain and symptoms, for me that is just good palliative care.

 

[Odds]

No both posts show that hospice staff would risk their freedom if they did. All it takes is one grieving relative to say they think the doctor gave a lethal dose and the medical examiner office will investigate.

Nothing in the DPP guidelines would protect a person who regularly did this.

That's why the Assisted Dying Bill was passed, surely, to protect innocent people from prosecution. I'm sure Hospice staff administer a lethal does in the final hours, but consenting months in advance tkes the stress from people who wish to die peacefully at home.

 

[motorbiking]

I don’t believe they do.

And this bill does not allow someone else to administer the lethal dose.

Doesn’t really help much at all. Other than give a person access to lethal drugs after they have applied for their divorce from life.

 

[denso13]

Your second to last sentence is going off the rails a bit

Is it? You seem content with state sponsored murder but don't want people to be given the choice on their own terms.