TN-C-S Distrubution Fault Symptoms?

[bernardgreen]

While having my morning cuppa I browsed the world of "dirty electricity" . My what a world it is.

http://www.dirtyelectricity.ca/stetzer_filters.htm has this little gem

The Graham-Stetzer Microsurge Meter measures Dirty Electricity

To install and ensure optimum performance of your GS filters a Graham-Stetzer Microsurge Meter is required. This meter, designed for the Health Ministry in the Republic of Kazakhstan, a former Russian Republic whose government understands the health symptoms associated of dirty electricity and other EMFs and believes in treating the cause of the problem not the patient after they are already sick. The meter measures the amount of high frequency RF energy (the energy that has the ability to radiate from wires and electronic devices) present in a home or buildings electrical system. It displays it in an easy to read digital format.

The meter is calibrated with 30 GS units equivalent to 1.7 KHz, the point at which experts believe electromagnetic frequencies actually penetrate the human body and can cause significant harm.

They even have their own unit of dirtyness... the GS ( Grubby Sircuits ? )

And they will sell you filters

Graham-Stetzer Home Pack (Free shipping)
Package of 20 Graham-Stetzer filters, the recommended amount for an aveage home. Free shipping! (For proper installation be sure to add a Microsurge meter to your order) To add the correct amount of filters to your...

and only $779.80

Odd that with all this fear of EMF they sit in front of computor screens to broadcast the news ( fear ) that all this EMF will harm you.

 

[ElectricsRanger]

Yes the micro tesla meter is placed on the work surface in the same place, as the cables all run in a plastic conduit up the wall at the back of the electric cupboard, and there is a work surface their to. I place the meter at right next to the conduit resting on the work surface, making sure not to move it, as small movement can give false readings. Also when i say work surface, its a kitchen work surface, where we work when cooking and preparing food, its about 1.5 to 2 foot above the breaker and a good 3 foot above the PME system.

I also can connect the cable to the water main bond very easily, and give you readings from both moments. Ill do some now.

14:06

Before i wired the earth back past plastic water joint.
conduit micro Teslas = 0.49uT
Main Earth bond to breaker terminals = 0.00A
TN-S earth link to TN-C-S Pen = 0.29A
L = 1.66A
N = 1.63A

14:16

With the water main earthed to the rest of piping and main earth bond to breake:
conduit micro Teslas = 2.20uT
Main Earth bond to breaker terminals = 0.43A
TN-S earth link to TN-C-S Pen = 0.35A
L = 1.66A
N = 1.63A

14:19

returned to disconnecting main supply with plastic joint.
conduit micro Teslas = 0.55uT
Main Earth bond to breaker terminals = 0.00A
TN-S earth link to TN-C-S Pen = 0.25A
L = 1.50A
N = 1.49A

 

[ElectricsRanger]

Hi Bernard,

Well i agree, i think people have to be more careful. I did buy some of those dirty electric filters for about £150, but after i had purchased a meter, which i bought after i completed alot research and thought about it for a month or two.

They do make a noticeable difference, especially with faulty switching power supplies, which for one reason are not filtering out switching harmonics. I had this PS3 that i was using that i bought second hand, and it was an overheating unit, which i expect had been cooking its psu for a while before it was sold to me for £30. When i used it i felt terrible within a couple of days of using it for long spells. I checked with the dirty electric meter, and it was hitting 1999gs units, 2000gs being the max it can measure, which i they say is 10mv transients per gs unit and the mains should be under 50 or 25 for perfect.. I replaced the psu with a better quality enermax 400w and the levels instantly dropped to levels of 400, high but i felt a noticeable improvement difference.

Recently i switched my psu on a workstation i use, and i started feeling worse over the coming days, but i didnt think much about it, but i plugged the dirty electric meter in to the sockets next to the computer and it was at 1800.

Sometimes i get caught out by this issue, by just not thinking about checking all the time. Our house is 50gs units or less especially at night, but when a set of sockets measure at 400 or higher it is noticeable.

I think what your saying about people being fooled is a valid point. The tesla meter also increases when the GS units rise, and the people behind the technology are active people on the subject, with qualifications in the area. I think sceptical is a good approuch, but these guys having some strong points to reinforce there claims.

If anything we should be sceptical of the quality of the electrical goods we buy and use in the uk. The importers and buyers for this big companies who sell the goods, don't know a active power factoring from power rectification, or a capacitor from a resisitor. They buy cheap, and the chinese are happy to sell it, if not make them worse because they need to scrape a profit. The emf problem is because of poor goods, poor technology, greed of some people, and lazyness or cheapness of the consumer.

If anything we need make sure we are receiving what we paid for. We wouldn't take a £5 note in change which was printed on normal printer paper, so why do we buy tvs that have poor power supplies or computer power supplies that can not deliver the wattage and produce electrical interference, because we don't know or don't care, but if it goes bang or burns the house down, that will be a different matter.

People are getting really stupid... and the chinese know this... they buy from Germany because they know they wont cheap on the design, and care to make good stuff.

 

[stillp]

Well i guess JohnW2, you seem like a polite guy, but you do seem to get a pants rash when your fact meter goes off... If its not a common fact your all over it likes its not a fact. I am somewhat of an enigma in these parts, yeah another ghost... so its hard to know to make of you.

Have these fields had some effect on the English language?

Kind Regards, John

I assume that English is not his or her first language.

 

[JohnW2]

I assume that English is not his or her first language.

Possibly, although I have seen similar, or worse, from people whose first language was meant to be English.

Kind Regards, John

 

[ElectricsRanger]

Hehehehehehe... So its my english now... hahahahahahahh...
Its good enough for a full conversation...

 

[ban-all-sheds]

i wouldnt be surprised if at least one of you were a gal.

So we can now add sexism to xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx


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LOSE IT, BAS.

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[ElectricsRanger]

Haha.... No. Sexism is to assume you are all guys, that was my point.... To not be surprised at least one of you is a gal, is me being open to the possibility.

 

[JohnW2]

To not be surprised at least one of you is a gal, is me being open to the possibility.

That's reasonable and laudable. However, I would hope that you would not go further than that and assert that at least one of us was female without having some strong evidence for that assertion?

Kind Regards, John

 

[PBC_1966]

The "P" in PBC_1966 stands for Paul, if that's any help....

 

[JohnW2]

The "P" in PBC_1966 stands for Paul, if that's any help....

A close family friend is universally known as "Paul" (or sometimes Pauly/Paulie), but it's an abbreviated version of Pauline

Kind Regards, John

 

[bernardgreen]

A person I know was known as Gay but has now reverted to Gaynor, the name her parents gave her and that she used to hate..

 

[PBC_1966]

A close family friend is universally known as "Paul" (or sometimes Pauly/Paulie),

That was my parents' name for me as a kid.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Abuse deleted
LOSE IT, BAS.

It's not abuse.

You surely cannot think that the OP is not suffering from diminished mental capacity? Look at the utterly irrational things he espouses, which fly in the face of masses of scientific rationality.

 

[bernardgreen]

BAS the way you word things can sometimes be read as abusive. Having irrational thoughts is not a sign of mental dis-order ( or what ever words you used in your description of the person ). Some irrational thoughts have led to major advances in science. It was very irrational to disbelieve that the sun was in orbit around the earth.

Be polite and people will listen to your sensible advice. Be rude and they will not.