****** to be obliterated from our history!

[sodthisforfun]

This is your opinion.
Nope, I disagree with you. It was the dogs name, it should stay and we shouldn't select which parts of history we keep, it's a dangerous move.

Oh, and Guy Gibson is dead, he has no say over it but I suspect, being from the era he is from, he'd think 'what a load of tosh'.

 

[Brigadier]

So, remove the dog's name.
Then what?
First question will probably be "what was the dog's name?"

I suppose you could change the dog's name, but that would be the beginning of a very slippery slope.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

So, remove the dog's name.
Then what?
First question will probably be "what was the dog's name?"

I suppose you could change the dog's name, but that would be the beginning of a very slippery slope.

The answer to your question: "it was a derogatory word that we don't use anymore." Simple enough?
What if it had been a seriously improper swear word? Would it have even made it to the headstone?
If correcting a perfidious history is a 'slippery slope', I'm all for sliding down it.

If anyone has watched Lucy Worsley's Biggest Fibs documentaries on BBC, they will realise how history has been manipulated, then and now. Why shouldn't we correct it? It's wrong and it deserves correction.

British History's Biggest Fibs with Lucy Worsley. Historian Lucy Worsley reveals how some of the biggest moments in British History are actually a concoction of fibs and stories which have been manipulated by whoever was in power at the time.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6396382/​

 

[sodthisforfun]

Have we all become so precious/stupid that we are unable to take a dogs name in context, realise that that was a very different time in terms of what was acceptable and not be offended? Jesus, what a bunch of idiots/snowflakes we all are.

Still, I guess it gives people like Himmy something to be faux outraged about. Gotta have a hobby!

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Have we all become so precious that we are unable to take a dogs name in context and not be offended? Jesus, what a bunch of idiots/snowflakes we all are.

You would rather keep the dog's name and recognise Guy Gibson as a racist?
Perhaps the RAF do not want to be associated with such suggestions. They prefer to act on their own initiative, and remove the dog's name. If Guy Gibson would object, perhaps his senior officers would have a word with him.

 

[sodthisforfun]

You would rather keep the dog's name and recognise Guy Gibson as a racist?
Perhaps the RAF do not want to be associated with such suggestions. They prefer to act on their own initiative, and remove the dog's name. If Guy Gibson would object, perhaps his senior officers would have a word with him.

Calling the dog the N-word was acceptable all those years ago, and does not equal Gibson as a racist. We do not know how he lived his life, we do not know what he thought of black people. All we know is that he called his black dog a name which is now, by modern values, a very bad word. 80 odd years ago, it wasn't as bad a word.

People like you are what is wrong with society today, jumping to conclusions and tarring everyone with the same brush without actually having information or understanding. You cannot measure a bygone era by todays standards, you should use your intelligence and keep it in context.

We learn, we go forward. We don't change history. Jesus, you even accused people of wanting to call their dogs the n-word, just so they can keep the word alive and keep saying it. I mean, that's just batpoop crazy and zero logic.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Calling the dog the N-word was acceptable all those years ago, and does not equal Gibson as a racist. We do not know how he lived his life, we do not know what he thought of black people. All we know is that he called his black dog a name which is now, by modern values, a very bad word. 80 odd years ago, it wasn't as bad a word.

People like you are what is wrong with society today, jumping to conclusions and tarring everyone with the same brush without actually having information or understanding. You cannot measure a bygone era by todays standards, you should use your intelligence and keep it in context.

We learn, we go forward. We don't change history. Jesus, you even accused people of wanting to call their dogs the n-word, just so they can keep the word alive and keep saying it. I mean, that's just batpoop crazy and zero logic.

If someone is racist by today's standards, they were just as racist then. The difference is, it's not acceptable today, it was not objected to, to be racist, back then, but it was still racist.
Racism was created to justify slavery, (way before Guy Gibson's time) but it was still racism. It was the narrative created to justify the subjugation of a different ethnicity by the rich few, and to nullify any objection to the practice.

 

[Brigadier]

You would rather keep the dog's name and recognise Guy Gibson as a racist?

Why? Do you not?

 

[transam]

I have an
Just spell the dogs name differently

Take one of the G. s out of the spelling

Sorted

 

[Ryler]

Just spell the dogs name differently

Negger

 

[transam]

Way I see it this country needs to re visit its history and make some changes

Start with monuments and statues

Cromwell
Bomber Harris
Nelson
Wellington
Etc etc

 

[transam]

That marmalade / jam company should be forced to pay compensation for there previous logo

Blimey I am ashamed to admit that I had one of their badges when I was at infant school

 

[transam]

How many VC medals were awarded to them blokes at Rourkes Drift

What were they doing there in the 1st place

The medals should be with drawn

 

[sodthisforfun]

If someone is racist by today's standards, they were just as racist then. The difference is, it's not acceptable today, it was not objected to, to be racist, back then, but it was still racist.
Racism was created to justify slavery, (way before Guy Gibson's time) but it was still racism. It was the narrative created to justify the subjugation of a different ethnicity by the rich few, and to nullify any objection to the practice.

By jove, I got a lecture. Thing that, was back then everyone was 'casually' racist, and for quite a few years after that. People were using racist terms without actually thinking about what they were saying - it didn't actually make everyone bad. It just took some generations and some changes to get people to think.

Ok, moving on.. if it was racist then, why does removing a dogs name make things not racist anymore? Why then (post below) are you so keen to have him seen as NOT racist by removing his dogs name? Surely people are better off knowing that, by your standards, he was racist, end of, and learn from it? You're finding it acceptable by rewriting history. That is a bad bad route to do down.

You would rather keep the dog's name and recognise Guy Gibson as a racist?
Perhaps the RAF do not want to be associated with such suggestions. They prefer to act on their own initiative, and remove the dog's name. If Guy Gibson would object, perhaps his senior officers would have a word with him.

 

[sodthisforfun]

Interesting story
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-53444752
"It would be unfair to judge a 19th Century man by 21st Century principles."